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dj kule
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 Posted - 2006/04/25 : 00:08:27
i am starting to get a bit concerned here. it seems that as the times go on, there are less and less artists who are in the music for the music, and are just in it for the popularity a dj gains. i think this is starting to show in production.
what is rele worrying is that only some artists today make tunes with a true feeling and devotion to them. is this because people are running out of new ideas? are they just bored of hardcore? or is the madurity of music not music and just another way to get a name known and some cash to be made on the side?
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Brian K
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 00:24:06
don't like whats coming out? produce your own
what's wrong with becoming a popular dj? as long as people keep buying their music, they'll keep writing the stuff...don't like it? don't buy it or don't attend these people's sets.
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dj kule
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 00:34:27
true. i think some of the older sounds should be brought up again and remixed. im liking sys recent work tho. class stuff. i hope that is the direction hardcore is heading.
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FriedRice
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 00:38:43
The old sounds are exactly that, old sounds
If you tried to use them today with todays listeners it wouldnt work
Times are changing sadly.....
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The Doc
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 00:42:26
think its because theres so much hardcore out at the mo! just remember 99-2001 when times were bad! the more music released the more u can get oppiniated! basically what I'm saying is if there were just 50 hardcore releases in a year u would like most of them because you haven't much choice other than whats released but if u get 10000 releases in a year u can pick and choose the trax u like so the others seem boring!
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gobbo23
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 11:10:47
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Originally posted by dj kule:
i am starting to get a bit concerned here. it seems that as the times go on, there are less and less artists who are in the music for the music, and are just in it for the popularity a dj gains. i think this is starting to show in production.
what is rele worrying is that only some artists today make tunes with a true feeling and devotion to them. is this because people are running out of new ideas? are they just bored of hardcore? or is the madurity of music not music and just another way to get a name known and some cash to be made on the side?
i think that is utter crap.
I don't think anybody would waste the mount of time it would take to make a track if they didn't have a passion for it.
People aren't in hardcore for the money.
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dj kule
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 11:37:08
wot bout all of these rip of artists who go around grabing class hardcore tunes, speeding them up even more and shoving some chipmonk vocal over the top? is that for the passion?
wot im trying to get at is that some people today have forgotten that hardcore is music. they just shove together what ever sounds they have avalible to them and put it at a fast tempo.
admitidly, there are lots of producers out there who do have the passion for music, but what about the next generation of producers? from what im hearing its all turning into chav core, and the real hardcore is being left behind.
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Phobz
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 11:39:33
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Originally posted by gobbo23:
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Originally posted by dj kule:
i am starting to get a bit concerned here. it seems that as the times go on, there are less and less artists who are in the music for the music, and are just in it for the popularity a dj gains. i think this is starting to show in production.
what is rele worrying is that only some artists today make tunes with a true feeling and devotion to them. is this because people are running out of new ideas? are they just bored of hardcore? or is the madurity of music not music and just another way to get a name known and some cash to be made on the side?
i think that is utter crap.
I don't think anybody would waste the mount of time it would take to make a track if they didn't have a passion for it.
People aren't in hardcore for the money.
Very true! If people where in it for money, they simply wouldn't be in it... They would go for a more popular style music. Every hardcore producer that as existed must have a passion for it or they would simply **** off. Wouldn't they???
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Phobz
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 11:44:01
Have you been listening to too much Rankin??? There is plenty of decent music out there you just gotta find some good artists your into. Who cares about these kids (NOT PRODUCERS) i would hardly call, shoving a pella over the top of somebody else's tune "producing". They just need to get a grip and learn how to produce.
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dj kule
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 11:54:12
i totaly agree with you, but have you noticed that these days ppl consider cammy and rakim as hardcore ledgends (well the ppl who dnt have a clue anyway)
i might be wrong. maybe they are in it forr the passion of hardcore. i mean i dont know them personaly so i aint gonna diss them or judge their position in the music. however, in my opinion the music made by them is complete crap. i just dont see why the true artists dont get the credit.
i must admit on the general hardcore is starting to rise up again now. i felt that after breeze and styles had their peak, it all sank for a bit. i may be the only one who feels that, but its all good 
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Phobz
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 12:03:05
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Originally posted by dj kule:
i totaly agree with you, but have you noticed that these days ppl consider cammy and rakim as hardcore ledgends (well the ppl who dnt have a clue anyway)
Maybe, but they are all kids or simply do not have a clue about hardcore as you said.
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the music made by them is complete crap. i just dont see why the true artists dont get the credit.
You said the music made by them, they didn't and it is illegal (if selling) to do that if the true artists work is copyrighted.
I wasn't getting at you just saying some points, the only people who are into there chipmonk style hypocore shit is kids probably under 18 and what you said earlier about them not having a clue.
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dj kule
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 12:17:35
it just seems like everybody around me is into this chipmunk style rip of hardcore. theat is probably because i am only 16, so most of the people around me dont have a clue. im not sayin i do have a clue. but i recognise the fact that hardcore is a true form of music which has been major for 15 years now. it has moved and evolved (sometimes for the worse) and is always changing.
the bad thing is that most people look at me and just asume that i am a typical 16 yr old chav with my dj cammy on the phone walking around blasting out some crap and claiming that to be the best music ever to enter my ears. but that aint the case. quite frankly, ll of these mobile phone tunes which i label "chav core" is crap.
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Phobz
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 12:25:30
Yea I know what you mean mate, my brother and sister and mostly all of there friends are into Rankin and that Cammy lol. My mate Gaz who's ****in 21 is into Rankin I mean WTF IS THAT ALL ABOUT!!! haha ****in fool. Just don't let it get to ya mate, who cares what people think aslong as you know whats in your heart just go with it.
It pisses me off aswell when I hear people playing it, it's like when all these hardcore classics get ripped by some shitty AATW artist and it becomes a big killer track. It's always going to happen. Just DJ what you like mate don't bother laying pella's over it, atleast people who do know there hardcore will have some respect for you if they hear it :)
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bulby_g
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 Posted - 2006/04/25 : 13:36:26
Rankin and Cammy are not hardcore artists! They have no position in the hardcore scene! Anyone who knows even a little bit about hardcore should know this. As has already been said they have no idea about production, if you shoved a production studio in their face and told them to make something they wouldn't have a clue. They (and the people who download their tat) don't even know the difference between scouse/club & hardcore. The reason they do all this so called "bootlegging" is basically because they don't have a clue and to get their leg over some 13-15 year old tart o sps lyk ths. Both them and there listeners will grow up and realise when they start going raving and get the shit ripped out of them. Why do you think you never see Rankin or Cammy on a hardcore compilation CD... Because they're not hardcore producers!
Anyway... I would say hardcore artists do have a passion for the music because it's a small scene with little money in it, if they were producing for money they would be much better off making club trance or even DnB.
Bottom line is if you enjoy the music good for you if not go listen to something else.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 13:42:30
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Originally posted by dj kule:
i am starting to get a bit concerned here. it seems that as the times go on, there are less and less artists who are in the music for the music, and are just in it for the popularity a dj gains. i think this is starting to show in production.
what is rele worrying is that only some artists today make tunes with a true feeling and devotion to them. is this because people are running out of new ideas? are they just bored of hardcore? or is the madurity of music not music and just another way to get a name known and some cash to be made on the side?
Agreed. If I had a choice of making old or new, i'd choose old as it would be more fun to make.
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dj kule
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Posted - 2006/04/25 : 14:07:43
i think some old stuff should jus be brought back. i would love to go to one of sy's sets and hear the clasics droped in every now and and again. we need those clasics like shooting star, set me free, let me be your fantasy, kick it, pretty green eyes (force and styles) and maybe even some old skool vibes. would all blend in well with the modern stuff.
just well im here, does anyone know where i can get hold of "kick it"? my mate did have it but then he sold it without me knowing n i was gutted. class tune and i despreratly want another coppy, although apparently its hard to get hold of
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