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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2006/06/15 : 22:17:11
I mean Joey Riot is doing ok for him self and I was wondering how some Djs get to make it big? How do they do this?
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clarke101
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Posted - 2006/06/15 : 22:46:42
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
I mean Joey Riot is doing ok for him self and I was wondering how some Djs get to make it big? How do they do this?
DJ's dont get taken on by labels (except for mix cd's). Producers or Artist do.
Mr Riot i would presumme is freelance and his tracks would get signed on a singular basis or maybe to complete a whole release depending on what label they were signed to.
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Underloop
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 Posted - 2006/06/15 : 22:49:59
Yup, as far as I know not many traditional record deals are signed in the dance industry as a whole. Most producers make a track and hopefully a record label will sign it (or often licence it).
As for how they make it big - they produce good tunes, and they market themselves appropriately so they get lots of good exposure. The public pick up on it, and it grows from there - the same as with any business really
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Posted - 2006/06/15 : 23:23:52
marry into the family is ur best chance
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 09:38:12
If your talented you will get signed straight away from any label.
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joey riot
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 11:26:48
Here's how i've got to the stage i'm at...
been dj'ing/mc'ing since 1995 (just as a hobby til 2 years ago but learned my craft over a long period of time)
started learning how to play guitar and piano from the age of 13.
went to college for 2 years and gained an hnd in music technology.
played (mostly for free) at every party i could for nearly 10 years.
then about 2 years ago i decided i wanted to make a career out of what i loved doing. and became a hermit, learnin as much as i could about recording techniques and getting my "own sound".
once i felt i was at a level that was good enough, i sent out hundreds of demo's.
each month i would stick my new trax on a cd along with a recent mix and whack them in an envelope with a biog about myself and would send them to as many record label's as i could. and would follow up all these demo's with a phone call to the label asking what they thought and what i could do to improve my trax if need be. after over a year of doing this every month and in the studio every day, my first break came.
both quosh and nu-energy were interested in trax i had sent them and got in touch with me. but i haven't sat back one bit since that happened, if anything i'am working harder to make a name for myself in this scene.
this music is my life and my passion, and the only advice i give to anyone trying to break through is you have to devote most of your waking hours to learning your craft and promoting yourself. there wil be times when you think "whats the point?" as you don't seem to be getting anywhere.
but you need that self belief that you can make it.
in my mind anything in life is possible, it just boils down to how much you want it.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 11:48:08
^^^^^ The ledge has spoken, give me a few years and it will be 1996 all over again!  *Get's to work in the Parkstone Studios*
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 12:41:21
that be the truth right there i reackon!
@ silver...
will u sign me? :D
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deejaybee
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 14:17:53
As said, its a tune for tune basis that you work with usually.
There are a few exceptions, but generally you will send tunes off to the
labels and they will start to sign them when they feel they are of a quality
that meets the labels standards.
Remember that obviously a label will have a style that they like to push and
your tune will generally also have to fit in with that style so for those who
mentioned you want to create the older style stuff, you may be pushed to
find labels willing to take it these days although its certainly not unheard of
if you look at labels such as "Maximum Impact" who are pushing the oldskool
stabby kinda stuff (Still sounds new though).
Best thing to do is to sit in the studio and keep fine tuning your stuff,
eventually you will get something signed, although for the bigger labels it
generally is much harder as the top teir dj's tend to take a while before they
start to push an artist etc.
The best thing about not signing exclusive to a label is basically that you can
produce styles for any label you like, this gives so much more freedom over
the sounds you want to use, for example I have been offered exclusivity to
some of the bigger labels over the years but if I had excepted the offer, on
hindsight I dont think I would have half as many releases as I have right now.
Keep at the production and remember that its something that takes years of
dedication, I can honestly say its been the biggest struggle in my life but at
the same time ... also the greatest acheivement.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 14:29:04
quote:
Originally posted by deejaybee:
As said, its a tune for tune basis that you work with usually.
There are a few exceptions, but generally you will send tunes off to the
labels and they will start to sign them when they feel they are of a quality
that meets the labels standards.
Remember that obviously a label will have a style that they like to push and
your tune will generally also have to fit in with that style so for those who
mentioned you want to create the older style stuff, you may be pushed to
find labels willing to take it these days although its certainly not unheard of
if you look at labels such as "Maximum Impact" who are pushing the oldskool
stabby kinda stuff (Still sounds new though).
So while Raverbaby are pushing the boring and stale Trancy Hardcore sound, other labels are pushing for a more unique or traditional sound. I think this is were most Upfront Hardcore is going wrong, they are not trying different things and are only intrested in somthing sounding the same as it did in 2003, while others (like Next Gn) have a different veiw on things which is obveious these days.
If I got into the scene, there would be no way that I would release something in the Raverbaby Style which IMO, is gone stale and until they change things, they are going to **** up Hardcore
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deejaybee
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 16:36:45
quote:
Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:
Originally posted by deejaybee:
As said, its a tune for tune basis that you work with usually.
There are a few exceptions, but generally you will send tunes off to the
labels and they will start to sign them when they feel they are of a quality
that meets the labels standards.
Remember that obviously a label will have a style that they like to push and
your tune will generally also have to fit in with that style so for those who
mentioned you want to create the older style stuff, you may be pushed to
find labels willing to take it these days although its certainly not unheard of
if you look at labels such as "Maximum Impact" who are pushing the oldskool
stabby kinda stuff (Still sounds new though).
So while Raverbaby are pushing the boring and stale Trancy Hardcore sound, other labels are pushing for a more unique or traditional sound. I think this is were most Upfront Hardcore is going wrong, they are not trying different things and are only intrested in somthing sounding the same as it did in 2003, while others (like Next Gn) have a different veiw on things which is obveious these days.
If I got into the scene, there would be no way that I would release something in the Raverbaby Style which IMO, is gone stale and until they change things, they are going to **** up Hardcore
Thats pretty un-educated to be honest, how are they goign to **** up
hardcore? lol... its just a type of hardcore, raverbaby have a unique sound
to them that they use, next gen has anougher, max impact has anougher.
Raverbaby is the most popular one at the moment, but by no means does
raverbaby spell the beggining and the end of the scene lol.
Anyways, not sure why you chose to say that... but as I pointed out, why
dont you send some of your tracks to a label that suits your style more than
raverbaby?
Something worth mentioning though, is that to be honest... if you were to
come out with a label that specialises in the style of 96-98, most distrobuters
and shops would just dismiss it... you probably wouldnt have any backing as
that style simply doesnt sell any longer.
My advice would be, if you wanna make a style of hardcore that hasnt got
a pigeon hole label... start your own, but please, just think about it... if there
isnt a label that supports the sound your producing... you gotta wonder why?
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deejaybee
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 16:45:19
Anougher thing I thought might be worth mentioning....
These labels, especially the bigger ones are business's... they are there to
make money and also of coarse to be successful... its not that they are
trying to milk the scene etc but at the end of the day, money needs to be
made just as much as money needs to be spent!
The trancy sound will change, one day when sales dry up and real hard
facts such as sales figures and rave attendance numbers start coming down,
the sound will be forced to change and we will all have to renew it.
Until then though my friend, im sorry to say it... but sales of records and the
current all time high of attendance at raves all points to the current trancy
hardcore being more popular then ever.
To be fair, if I was in hixxy's chair.. id say the same thing, as would any
business man...
Hixxy: "err, sir... everyone seems to buy my records, ive never seen more people
at raves and my albums go to number 1... I think im killing hardcore"
Label Manager: "..... please leave, your a very scary man! ...."
Do you see the point im making?
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 17:02:31
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in my mind anything in life is possible, it just boils down to how much you want it.
So true, i always say that :)
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 18:07:26
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Originally posted by deejaybee:
Do you see the point im making?
That Hixxy is scary?
Nope, tis a very good point that is too often forgotten. Raverbaby is what puts bread on Hixxy's table - and I'm sure he like anyone would rather have freshly baked bread from the local bakery than cheap, cardboardy, reduced price due to close sell by date skanky mass produced stuff from Aldi!!
But one other point I'd like to add before everyone starts jumping in with "The scary man is only in it for the money" is that maybe, just maybe (in other words more than likely) Hixxy & co actually like the sounds they are making, and the reason that it makes so much money is that other people like it too, despite what (at the moment) is a minority hating it and wanting the '96 sound back!
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Posted - 2006/06/16 : 19:44:09
Don't mind Smoogie - uneducated sums him up perfectly.
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/06/17 : 02:31:13
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But one other point I'd like to add before everyone starts jumping in with "The scary man is only in it for the money" is that maybe, just maybe (in other words more than likely) Hixxy & co actually like the sounds they are making, and the reason that it makes so much money is that other people like it too, despite what (at the moment) is a minority hating it and wanting the '96 sound back!
I'd agree with that 100% you jus need to go to a rave and see how many people love that style. Loadsa my mates do and there really passionate about there tunes and out all the time, a lot more than me nowadays.
I admit i hate the commercial dance sound but i wouldnt want 96 cheese back again, i dont close my mind and i like tunes from every year got loadsa quality happy stuff from back in 90's.
But 96 was the year it went cheesed up to the max in this country and has kept with it since then.
I think it's a good time now for hardcore, the amount of people like myself who've turned to gabber and the amount of events for the harder stuff is gettin stronger and better all the time.
This month had uproar, summer sensation and subliminal discharge coming up.
Cant complain at all just wish i could get out and enjoy it more.
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