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Craigavon raver
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 Posted - 2007/11/28 : 19:52:30
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Originally posted by alex_e:
cool. everyone has their own definition of "classic" hardcore. for me, anything pre 1995 is getting a little too old.
i dunno, personally, the KFA sounding hardcore does not really do it for me, which is something i consider to have a pre '95 kinda sound (even tho i realize a lot probably came out later). please correct me if i'm wrong which i probably am.
there's good piano/breakbeat kinda hardcore and then there's just bad. and the really pitched up vocals of that style really bother me. anyone else kinda even know what i'm talking about here?
anything that was released '95-'00 is what i consider oldskool (releases on the 2000 end of that are kinda pushing the limits) but i guess it's all relative to what time you got into hardcore... that time period is where all the "classics" come from in my opinion.
just wanted to double check with you tho 
i,d class old skool 1990-94, happy hardcore 95-00,and nu style 01-2 now
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2007/11/28 : 20:08:58
^^^ I usualy class Old Skool anything from the 1990s but mostly early 'rave' from 88-93 although not usualy as far back as 1988 (although thats when 'rave' began!) Happy Hardcore 1993-1999, although the early stuff was more breakbeat/ piano & speed up vocals & after '95 it was more vocals & stomping & pure cheese (like Toytown, Steamtrain, Party Time ect)
I class alot of early noughties Hardcore as 'Old Skool Upfront' as compared to the stuff from the late 1990s it had come along way but the mainstream has changed a little bit so stuff from 2000-2003 is becoming old skool! Most new stuff is called Upfront because it is the 'latest' even though it dosnt sound to much different from 5 years ago which means that Hardcore from 5 years ago is still Upfront, but also Old Skool! lol Ok I know it is really UK Hardcore but the 'UK' sound is also used in toher countries such as Australia!
Old Skool Freeform is the late 90s 'Trancecore' (97-99) & Freeform from 2000-2003, sounding a little dated compared to today's Freeform!
Bouncy Techno had its day between 1993-1997 although a comeback was atempted in 1998, it was small!
In five years time do you think Hardcore (the mainstream) will still be sounding the same as it does now, just as 5 years ago? Hardcore evolveed alot more between 1993-1997 than it has from 2003-2007! Although we dont always notice change when it happens which is why some stuff from the early noughties is getting dated! Hixxy's mix on Bonkers 8, 9, 10, 11 ect!
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Xanergy
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 22:44:54
I agree with the very knowledgeable Smoogie. I didn't kno all of that oldskool stuff and when and why it was popular, that was enlightening.
I doubt the hardcore sound will change even in another 5 years. This exact type of sound is exactly what makes hardcore, hardcore. If it were to be slightly changed at all, yet another genre would be born just because of its slight difference to its original sound of hardcore.
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Brian K
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Posted - 2007/11/29 : 01:25:48
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
Hardcore evolveed alot more between 1993-1997 than it has from 2003-2007! !
that's because hardcore and jungle were one back in 93
mainstream hardcore kicked jungle to the curb and sucked up trance in it's place
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2007/11/29 : 02:50:23
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
^^^ I usualy class Old Skool anything from the 1990s but mostly early 'rave' from 88-93 although not usualy as far back as 1988 (although thats when 'rave' began!) Happy Hardcore 1993-1999, although the early stuff was more breakbeat/ piano & speed up vocals & after '95 it was more vocals & stomping & pure cheese (like Toytown, Steamtrain, Party Time ect)
I class alot of early noughties Hardcore as 'Old Skool Upfront' as compared to the stuff from the late 1990s it had come along way but the mainstream has changed a little bit so stuff from 2000-2003 is becoming old skool! Most new stuff is called Upfront because it is the 'latest' even though it dosnt sound to much different from 5 years ago which means that Hardcore from 5 years ago is still Upfront, but also Old Skool! lol Ok I know it is really UK Hardcore but the 'UK' sound is also used in toher countries such as Australia!
Old Skool Freeform is the late 90s 'Trancecore' (97-99) & Freeform from 2000-2003, sounding a little dated compared to today's Freeform!
Bouncy Techno had its day between 1993-1997 although a comeback was atempted in 1998, it was small!
In five years time do you think Hardcore (the mainstream) will still be sounding the same as it does now, just as 5 years ago? Hardcore evolveed alot more between 1993-1997 than it has from 2003-2007! Although we dont always notice change when it happens which is why some stuff from the early noughties is getting dated! Hixxy's mix on Bonkers 8, 9, 10, 11 ect!
SMOOGIE I LOVE YOU! You're the only other person that knows that "Trancecore" is the old name for Freeform! A lot of peeps here in my scene think that "Trancecore" is today's Happy Hardcore style. I am like "No! Its the older name for Freeform"
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Mental_Adam
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Posted - 2007/11/29 : 03:03:17
Bonkers 7, hixxy mix... i had a good listen to most of the tracks.
This was a good example of the 'Trancecore' era.
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Brian K
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Posted - 2007/11/29 : 04:41:27
bonkers 7 sounded more like sped up goa trance to me *shrug*
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Leto
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Posted - 2007/11/29 : 05:05:14
Perfect example of "trancecore" sound:
Sharkey's Mix on Bonkers 5.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2007/11/29 : 09:34:48
Sharkey & Druid's mix on Best of Bonkers is a good example of 'Old Skool' Freeform. There are a few Happy tracks (Toytown, Rainbow Islands ect) & tracks like Lemonade Raygun (classic example of Trancecore) & Kaos & Ethos 'Get ****ed' & CLSM & Sharkey 'wicked MC' which are getting Old Skool!
I also heard once that Billy 'Daniel' Bunter was talking bout an event which was playing alot of stuff off the old Bonkerz lebel (not the cds) which was Trancecore. Seems that Freeform is showing it's age!
Also if you go on Amazon alot of reviews for compilations from around 2001-2002 people called it Trancecore, even the mainstream stuff like Happy 2 B Hardcore! 'Im loving this new Trancecore stuff' or 'I dont llike this new Trancecore stuff much' & alot of the 'Old Skool' cds that came out people compared it to the then new 'Trancecore' sound! After 2000 Freeform became it's own genre and broke off from the mainstream!
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Fluffbomb
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Posted - 2007/11/29 : 13:13:20
I know I'm in the minority here as I'm not a fan of UK Hardcore. There seems like very little in common with the Breakbeat Hardcore & Early Happy Hardcore I love. The thing that strikes me the most is the lack of variety in UK Hardcore. Up to the mid 90's there seemed a real mixture of influences for Hardcore tracks (Pianos, Rave Stabs, Ragga Samples, Kickdrums, Basslines, Breakbeats, Trance synths) but now its all just like Fast Trance. The only contemporary Hardcore label I still get records from is Kniteforce Again as they're one of the few people still experimenting. 
Back on topic now. 5 years ago I'd stopped listening to Happy Hardcore completely and thought it was a thing of the past. Even though its not to my taste fair play to everybody who worked to get it back to its current position even if I do believe that its not really the same scene anymore (brings to mind the Trigger's broom 'This old broom, has had seventeen new heads, and fourteen new handle in its time').
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Dj Satsky
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Posted - 2007/11/29 : 16:59:21
I like Force's tunes they are simply amazing its one from the World's Greatest Hardcore CD old skool mix only a few of them not all.
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