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jenks
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 Posted - 2006/08/01 : 22:45:37
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Originally posted by clarke101:
Upfront used to mean unreleased. God knows what its supposed mean now.
You're probably right actually, I'm only going by how the word is used by producers...
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jenks
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Posted - 2006/08/01 : 22:48:01
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by luminate:
why is everyone havin such a huge rant about how "innovative" freeform is? is raverbaby-esk stuff is just sped up trance, freeform is pretty much just sped up house/hard house/hard NRG.
dont get me wrong, i do like a bit of freeform, but i dont think everyone should run around slagging of producers liek darren styles & re-con etc, just because they're playing a different sound to what u wanna hear. they are ****ing talented producers and deserve respect for the level of skill they hav.
I'm not saying they lack talent but Upfront ahs gotten really stale at the moment IMO. Freeform seems to be going places but then I am saying that as I like Freeform more.
Upfront means new.
So was Happy Hardcore 'Upfront' in the 1990s? I think Upfront means the latest and up to date Hardcore with lacks harder kicks and breaks and is often played at a slower speen than some Hardcore yet is faster than Hosue and Trance and is Trancy with bass lines. I think soon we would be seeing 'Old Skool Upfront' Cds out with Upfront tracks from 2002/2003!
You might think that cats shit out of the end of their tails but it doesn't mean its true does it?
You can get 'upfront' trance mixes, 'upfront' hard house mixes etc etc, 'upfront' is not a genre of hardcore.
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Posted - 2006/08/02 : 08:23:04
I would like it to change, but I'm not over anything.
Bonkers 16 blows, but Hardcore Heaven 3 and Bonkers 15 are phenominal!
I'm still obsessing over HH3.
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Chris Goldfinger
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Posted - 2006/08/02 : 10:14:34
IMO the problem we have is there is just so much sh*t tunes getting released!! Some of the labels put stuff out that is that bad it should have never seen the light of day!!
And despite what the majority of you think i am not talking about RAVERBABY i actually think Raverbaby is one of the most consistant labels at the min
Back in the day i use to go record shopping and when i did i was alway facing tough decisions, so many good track not enough cash, but now i struggle to even find any tracks worth my money
I don't buy vinyl unless i think the track is quality!! if its just alright i wont buy it
I use to love hardcore back in '95 and for years after that but now i find myself liking less and less of it
Personally i think that the releases that are coming out in the different genres are soooooooooooo much better
my preferred styles
1. Hardstyle (The Prophet, Technoboy, Pavo, etc)
2. Hard Trance (Dj Scot Project, Eddie Halliwell, etc)
3. Techno (Green Velvet, Dave Clarke, Dj Rush, etc)
4. House (Armand, Trophey Twins, etc)
5. Hardcore ..............................
If u had asked me years ago all i would have said would have been I LOVE HARDCORE but now after listening to that much sh*t trying to find a decent tune i've nearly gave up on it. My record buying ratio must be 1 hardcore vinyl to 15 of the other styles i mentioned
However i will always love the classics 1995-1999!!!!!
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Posted - 2006/08/02 : 17:30:14
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
I'm not saying they lack talent but Upfront ahs gotten really stale at the moment IMO. Freeform seems to be going places but then I am saying that as I like Freeform more.
Upfront means new.
ok heres a Question for ya.... Witch Name is better
Upfront Hardcore or UK HARDCORE!!!!!
you can see my point...
i think its safe to say that upfront is the best word that finds the style of hardcore!
after all it is the most populer with the 14 years old slappers! (yay!... NOT!)
other names it could go by...
pussycore,
fannycore,
crapcore
shitecore
wtf_is_this_core
Hang_Ya_Nikcers_on_the_line_core
Big_fish_little_fish_core
and
omg_i_can't_beleave_I've_just_brote_This_****ing_core
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Originally posted by luminate:
why is everyone havin such a huge rant about how "innovative" freeform is? is raverbaby-esk stuff is just sped up trance, freeform is pretty much just sped up house/hard house/hard NRG.
dont get me wrong, i do like a bit of freeform, but i dont think everyone should run around slagging of producers liek darren styles & re-con etc, just because they're playing a different sound to what u wanna hear. they are ****ing talented producers and deserve respect for the level of skill they hav.
erm... i think your confussed mate... 
RECON & STYLES = FREEFORM? LMFAO!!!
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
FreeForm = sped up house/hard house/hard NRG. AHAHAHAAAA!!!
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
they are ****ing talented producers and deserve respect for the level of skill they hav.
i think the best way to comment back to that would be to change it to...
"was" taletneted producers!
also... how do you define "talent"
to me... bewing able to produce music professanil... and know how music works... music tech and all that bollocks!!
and "ohhhh look at me i can change the volume so it fades in... weeeeeeee"
IS NOT called talent... its simply called a "smart arse!"
TALENT (on the other hand) = the music itself... the melodys ect ect ect
most "upfront" music these days... hasn't got alot happening in it.. and not alot of melodys... most of it is just the same thing over and over!!!
freeform on the other hand... your looking at around 20+!!!! diffrent melodys, sounds, effects ect ect used in the mix!
as well as explosive percussen TO DIE FOR!!!!
= TALENTED!!!"! not just that... but let me give you"Sk8SiM" type of explaination here...
An Upfront Fill = "wow bob! would you look at that... a bass and a lead syth!"
Freeform fill = "BOOM! BOOM-BOOM! EXPOLCATIONS... ****ING HELL BOB!!! THIS IS INTENSE!!!!
*then when the lead kicks in... and DON'T YOU ****ING KNOW ABOUT IT!!!*
also lets not forget here... our genre of music is known as "HARDCORE"
I think that very word "hardcore" is being mis used so much these days, kinda like love and sex lol...
the hard dance catagry in Electronic music = anything 150BPM or over
so anything at say 160... would be... pretty "hard"
lets not forget... most BPM counters stop at 160...
so... 170 = hardcore? i don't think so...
that ent ****ing hardcore... 180 on the other habnd... 20 MORE!!!! NOW THATS ****ING HARDCORE!!!!
now (to the point)
did you know... upfront hardcore these days can be as slow as ****ing 165BPM!!! *WOOT!!!*
but freeform on the other (taking on board what i say above) is normally around 180BPM!!!
now witch one is ****ING (tell ya what, i'll spell it out for you")
HARD - CORE!!!!
you know what come to think of it... it don't matter if raverbaby shit was evan talented... its just not hardcore!... the've changed it in the last 3-4 years... th've changed it SO THAT PEOPLE WILL LIKE IT!!!
basiccly... they can shove there "money" up there arses!!! (keyword there)
the ent doing **** all for the scene!!! there just diging a big... big... BIG ****ING HOLE FOR IT!!!!!
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jenks
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Posted - 2006/08/02 : 18:40:41
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Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
I'm not saying they lack talent but Upfront ahs gotten really stale at the moment IMO. Freeform seems to be going places but then I am saying that as I like Freeform more.
Upfront means new.
ok heres a Question for ya.... Witch Name is better
Upfront Hardcore or UK HARDCORE!!!!!
you can see my point...
i think its safe to say that upfront is the best word that finds the style of hardcore!
after all it is the most populer with the 14 years old slappers! (yay!... NOT!)
other names it could go by...
pussycore,
fannycore,
crapcore
shitecore
wtf_is_this_core
Hang_Ya_Nikcers_on_the_line_core
Big_fish_little_fish_core
and
omg_i_can't_beleave_I've_just_brote_This_****ing_core
No, I actually can't see your point. So you're telling me that if you went to a hard house night and the DJ said he/she was going to play an upfront set you'd think they were going to play hardcore?
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Sk8SiM
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Posted - 2006/08/02 : 19:08:29
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Originally posted by jenks:
No, I actually can't see your point. So you're telling me that if you went to a hard house night and the DJ said he/she was going to play an upfront set you'd think they were going to play hardcore?
ok... i'll excuse your wityness and just spell this out...
upfront hardcore
and
upfront house
2 diffrent things ^^^^
now take a long... & hard look jenks...
take some deep breaths....
*breaths in*
and tell me the diffrence...
...its not hard now is it mate 
being on happyhardcore.com if you said JUST "upfront"
its kinda like putting 2 and 2 together...
you ent gonna think of "upfront house" now are you?
on a "hardcore" site - come on, thats just stupid!
same goes for house...
saying "upfront" on a house site...
everyone will know your talking bout "upfront house"
cuse its a "style" of music were taking about here!!!
NOT A GENRE!!!!
Type = Electronic music
Category = Hard Dance
Genre = Hardcore
Style = Upfront
its a big world out there mate... and under Electronic music theres a HUGE HUGE LIBARY (bigger then any other type) of diffrent genres, subgenres, styles ect... theres music out there that we probs didn't evan think was poasable... lol
S'all about remaining openminded! 
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jenks
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 00:54:59
But it's not a style either, every hardcore track of every style is at some point 'upfront'.
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 04:47:45
I don't know why no one likes raverbaby now. I personally like the sound they have...If you don't like it don't listen to it? I mean if a person likes the sound of a certain music let them enjoy it without taking constant stabs at it lol.
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luminate
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 06:01:31
quote:
Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
quote:
Originally posted by jenks:
quote:
Originally posted by Smoogie:
I'm not saying they lack talent but Upfront ahs gotten really stale at the moment IMO. Freeform seems to be going places but then I am saying that as I like Freeform more.
Upfront means new.
ok heres a Question for ya.... Witch Name is better
Upfront Hardcore or UK HARDCORE!!!!!
you can see my point...
i think its safe to say that upfront is the best word that finds the style of hardcore!
after all it is the most populer with the 14 years old slappers! (yay!... NOT!)
other names it could go by...
pussycore,
fannycore,
crapcore
shitecore
wtf_is_this_core
Hang_Ya_Nikcers_on_the_line_core
Big_fish_little_fish_core
and
omg_i_can't_beleave_I've_just_brote_This_****ing_core
quote:
Originally posted by luminate:
why is everyone havin such a huge rant about how "innovative" freeform is? is raverbaby-esk stuff is just sped up trance, freeform is pretty much just sped up house/hard house/hard NRG.
dont get me wrong, i do like a bit of freeform, but i dont think everyone should run around slagging of producers liek darren styles & re-con etc, just because they're playing a different sound to what u wanna hear. they are ****ing talented producers and deserve respect for the level of skill they hav.
erm... i think your confussed mate...
RECON & STYLES = FREEFORM? LMFAO!!!
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
FreeForm = sped up house/hard house/hard NRG. AHAHAHAAAA!!!
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
they are ****ing talented producers and deserve respect for the level of skill they hav.
i think the best way to comment back to that would be to change it to...
"was" taletneted producers!
also... how do you define "talent"
to me... bewing able to produce music professanil... and know how music works... music tech and all that bollocks!!
and "ohhhh look at me i can change the volume so it fades in... weeeeeeee"
IS NOT called talent... its simply called a "smart arse!"
TALENT (on the other hand) = the music itself... the melodys ect ect ect
most "upfront" music these days... hasn't got alot happening in it.. and not alot of melodys... most of it is just the same thing over and over!!!
freeform on the other hand... your looking at around 20+!!!! diffrent melodys, sounds, effects ect ect used in the mix!
as well as explosive percussen TO DIE FOR!!!!
= TALENTED!!!"! not just that... but let me give you"Sk8SiM" type of explaination here...
An Upfront Fill = "wow bob! would you look at that... a bass and a lead syth!"
Freeform fill = "BOOM! BOOM-BOOM! EXPOLCATIONS... ****ING HELL BOB!!! THIS IS INTENSE!!!!
*then when the lead kicks in... and DON'T YOU ****ING KNOW ABOUT IT!!!*
also lets not forget here... our genre of music is known as "HARDCORE"
I think that very word "hardcore" is being mis used so much these days, kinda like love and sex lol...
the hard dance catagry in Electronic music = anything 150BPM or over
so anything at say 160... would be... pretty "hard"
lets not forget... most BPM counters stop at 160...
so... 170 = hardcore? i don't think so...
that ent ****ing hardcore... 180 on the other habnd... 20 MORE!!!! NOW THATS ****ING HARDCORE!!!!
now (to the point)
did you know... upfront hardcore these days can be as slow as ****ing 165BPM!!! *WOOT!!!*
but freeform on the other (taking on board what i say above) is normally around 180BPM!!!
now witch one is ****ING (tell ya what, i'll spell it out for you")
HARD - CORE!!!!
you know what come to think of it... it don't matter if raverbaby shit was evan talented... its just not hardcore!... the've changed it in the last 3-4 years... th've changed it SO THAT PEOPLE WILL LIKE IT!!!
basiccly... they can shove there "money" up there arses!!! (keyword there)
the ent doing **** all for the scene!!! there just diging a big... big... BIG ****ING HOLE FOR IT!!!!!
nice rant, but u missed the point entirely. i never claimed that styles or recon produce freeform. and just coz u adont appreciate the music, doesnt mean it doesnt take talent to produce it.
ever heard the phrase "less is more" ??
there's nmo point cramming as many synth and effects as humanly possible into a song just coz u wanna be exploratative and innovative, it doesnt work that way.
also, if u look at a lot of freefrom, its slower then the average 170bpm most cheesy hardcore is, as they're trying to cater for the hard nrg/hard dance market too. who's cramming money up who's ass?
anyway, the point i'm making is, just coz u dont like the music they produce, artists lkike breeze, styles, recon etc should still be respected for what they can do. is u name up in lights as a world leading producer in ur given genre? no? then stop marching around like ur better then they are, just coz u hav a more "complex and interesting sound"
hardcore doesnt need to be 180bpm to be hardcore, thats just crap. compare to MOST other genre's 170bpm is still pretty ****ing hardcore!
also irrelevent.
pu simply, who cares uif u dont like their music, many do. so unless u hav something valid an usefull to add, ur ranting on constantlyy about the same thing and not actually gettin anywhere.
i'm sick of ppl knocking artists like the afformentioned (and yes, they ARE artists) coz it's not their thing, or they liked music 10yrs ago, or they're sick of the trance sound. times have changed, move on. dont like uk hardcore (in the form of raverbaby and other similar labels) dont listen to it, go back under ur rock to live out another 10 yrs. nothign worthwhile to ad?? maybe try shutting up for a whil and stop parading around like ur hot sh*t
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 07:07:02
these arguments have been rageing since man was created, in one shape or form, so it boils down to the same bitching n moaning as this thread and many others ;)
I personally have goten tired of kick drum 4/4 beats or what ever the hell it is! Go Breaks!!! DIE 4/4 beat!!!!!!!!!
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Posted - 2006/08/03 : 07:10:53
oh and another thing i believe, ya gota take the good with the bad, without rubbishy no talent crapcore tracks, the cool tunes wouldnt seem so good. They're good for somethin ;)
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 Posted - 2006/08/05 : 23:27:13
Hey Guys!!!
Im from Germany and I think HardCore NeedZ 2 Evolve in GERMANY!!!!!!
I hear hardcore cuz i looked in winamp a lot and heard diferent kinds of tekno and gabba and hardcore and s.o.
So i Think the most of the germanZ hear mostly techno than hardcore and i want that Hardcore RuleZ in Germany 2...
In UK I heard a lot of HardCore Evolves in the 90's....
So i hope Hardcore evolves Everywhere!!!
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Posted - 2006/08/06 : 02:00:06
Lets face the facts, Hardcore is in a very healthy form at the mo, all the big albums hit top 10 all the time, u asked RESIST what they feel! they are having their best sales ever for hardcore albums, MOS have released 2 albums in 6 months (and they know when its worth doing), Events are cropping up all over the place, the reason album series are taking longer than the 6 month norm is because DJ's and producers are so f**king busy, and if you don't like the new stuff then go back a bit because theres 1000's of tracks that you've never ever heard!
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Posted - 2006/08/06 : 11:09:00
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Lets face the facts, Hardcore is in a very healthy form at the mo, all the big albums hit top 10 all the time, u asked RESIST what they feel! they are having their best sales ever for hardcore albums, MOS have released 2 albums in 6 months (and they know when its worth doing), Events are cropping up all over the place, the reason album series are taking longer than the 6 month norm is because DJ's and producers are so f**king busy, and if you don't like the new stuff then go back a bit because theres 1000's of tracks that you've never ever heard!
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