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mc trev
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 Posted - 2002/04/26 : 14:56:53
comercial means they take good dance tracks and turn them more into popy music (kind of) hardcore is turning comercial and i and the rest of us hardcore raves don't want that now do we?
take for eg. flip n fill shooting star now thats just talking the p*ss right out of bang and happycore and now theres a new children of the night 2002
for f*ck sake when will it stop? (will it stop?)
i hate pop and i hate bad producers and promoters that let this happen
long live happyhardcore! and if it does go fully comercial then don't listen to it just listen to the original and the best happyhardcore and not happycomercialhardcore which it will be
if u hear it playing just turn the volume to the max with the REAL hardcore not the fake comercial bulls**t
but remember HARDCORE WILL NEVER DIE!
your sincerly m.c trev ..... respect to bang and respect to the sy
TURN THE MUSIC UP
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Dragalian
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 Posted - 2002/04/26 : 15:33:25
GRRRRR!!!!!! I JUST HEARD THE FLIP N' FILL TRACK. I'M PRETTY MAD AT THE MOMENT. Nick, if you're here looking at this thread, what's going to happen with this pop crap that stole your stuff? Those are definitely not Jo James' vocals. 
"I like Hard Housish, Energetic Hardcore, so what? You're still bouncin' aren't you?"
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CDJay
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Posted - 2002/04/26 : 16:05:52
lol, a good saying u should remember
"don't bite the hand that feeds you"
The flip 'n fill mixes are totally legit, hell one of the mixes is by Brisk 'n Ham if I remember correctly
We're lucky enuff to get the lyrics and vox first, but they're not "exclusive", that just doesn't make economic sense
You don't have to listen to them ;)
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Dragalian
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Posted - 2002/04/26 : 16:26:51
GRRR... I'm still mad though. Ok, I see that the Stimulant Dj's did do a remix of it. That really sucks, taking the biggest Hardcore Anthem and making shite out of it. I listened to the Extended Mix of it and it was horrible. 
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Annex
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Posted - 2002/04/26 : 16:32:52
damn strait
screw it man, i mean... i don't want hardcore to go all commercial, that'd suck!
but!!! if a little commercial action is gonna keep hardcore goin strong, who cares, dont' listen to it as D. Jay said.. don't listen to it
damn skippy man... i mean honestly... if there was a way for Til The Day to come out in a hyper-commercial version, and do super well, sell tons of copies, and make Nick a good pile-o-cash, i'd be nothing but pleased :)
if he then started producing tracks specifically FOR the commercial market, well then i'd be a little hurt...
just stay true to the happycore, if we can get some fund input from the non-underground society at large, all the better, to help our choonz get pumped out, our parties get bigger, and our scene thrive
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DJ Mouse
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Posted - 2002/04/26 : 17:51:07
don't let it happen!!!
all i have to say is....
LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO UK GARAGE
i used to like it till so solid crew and manufactured bands like liberty came about and adapted it so it sells. in fact the new commercial stuff has put me right off the old stuff.
DO ANY OF YOU WANT TO SEE MANUFACTURED HAPPY HARDCORE BANDS COMING OUT WITH 100% PURE CHEESE?!?!?!
i don't,enough said. i know happy hardcore won't sell all that much in the charts. but it ain't the point (even tho bonkers 3 got to #27 in the charts)
i like hardcore as it is,not adapted hardcore to make it sell.
might be the drink talking but that's my 2 cents
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Brian K
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Posted - 2002/04/26 : 20:12:14
how is it any different from taking a popular trance tune and making it into some genre of hardcore?
just say no to rips =P
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dr smiley
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 Posted - 2002/04/26 : 20:20:17
im only 12 but i think if happy hardcore goes commercial everyone would like it and that would just be no fun i like bein the black sheep it makes me feel special =) i mean it would be nice for nick to make some more $$$ and i dont want happy core to die so its kinda hard to say all i can say is keep happy core alive and keep on DANCIN
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Weird Fish
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Posted - 2002/04/26 : 20:54:55
Again...I have to agree what Annex said...cause thats how the most of us got into HHC...And I've
said this already on another tread...
And what do you care if they make poppy crap out of our HHC tunes...we won't listen to it
anyways...We know where it's true and real
I for one don't care about the poppy world, I live in my HHC world and could care less about
the others...and if it goes commercial, maybe some kids would get inspired and there will be
more dj's and more cool tracks can come out of them...more anthems...I mean that would be cool
I myself don't like the idea of commercialisation, but if this would help HHC conquer the world once
again...let it be...as long as they don't sell crap, most likely they will, but anyways...
I know the HHC is ours, but I think I would like the family to grow...if there ain't growth, there aint
a future...And I would like a prosperous future for HHC
As long we are real to our happy hardcore, it will always be with us!!!
I like the Bass to go BOOM!!!
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Oli G
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Posted - 2002/04/27 : 03:14:44
I see that the Stimulant Dj's did do a remix of it <--- yeah.. being brisk + ham, the ppl who did the original hardcore remixes of bang's version
but yeah... we will get looked on as i look on uk garage purists now (hard to tell the purists from the ****s tho) i dispise the music, but there are people in it just for the love of the music..
and we will get looked on like comercial cheesers like we look on garage ppl :/
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pacman
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Posted - 2002/04/27 : 18:27:31
MOUSE: keep pushing the garage man. apart from hhc & newstyle gabber, uk garage is what i spin most. imagine if/when happyhardcore goes commercial, and people like us stopped making the good stuff that we love, then the genre would go to shit. if we don't like the newer stuff, it's up to US to keep pushing the sound that we love, be it producing, djing or whatever. keep it real.
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Simon
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Posted - 2002/04/28 : 07:41:51
Well Yeah UK Garage went Sh*t but then again it wasn't ever amazing anyway. UK House has now gone crap and I hate to say it but I think UK D&B is going a bit commercial recently there appears to be a lot of D&B tracks hitting the pop charts and there not even released under different names but under names such as Andy C etc. But I can't see Hardcore going commercial just people realising that some of our lyrics are actually pretty damn good!!!
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Midway_raver
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 Posted - 2002/04/28 : 07:59:39
this mite not b relevant, but in the magazine with the tv listings in its got alot of happy hardcore classics in an advert for ringtones but (heart of gold aint by bang is it?) it just shows though that people r realising happy hardcore is gr8 and alot of people like it..IMO
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Brian K
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Posted - 2002/04/28 : 08:41:59
heart o' gold is by F&S
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Midway_raver
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Posted - 2002/04/28 : 15:23:37
fort it was...its just listed as BANG-HEART OF GOLD ( prrof if ever u needed it that any form of commercialisation is bad for hardcore, peeps getting credit for other peoples work)(;) cum on nick its not liek u need any more credit of ne1 lol)
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Nick of Blaze!
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Posted - 2002/04/28 : 23:24:15
Chill out Ringo! We cool Yolanda.... like a bunch of little Fonzies here.... and what's Fonzy like...?
OK, Flip & Fill, Shooting Star, yes it's out on June 3rd, there is a Stimulant (H&B) remix, and yes I spoke to the record company chap, and I have to say, that sort of positivity from someone was just amazing in this business. He was absolutely boiling to get this out. I haven't heard the new mixes but hey, if they're willing to pump £50K into STR......
I have replied to this extensively in another post as to the reasons why, but for the benefit, and those that have read this then skip it.
There's the "song" and there's the "remix". The song always stays static. The remixes change. You could turn Shooting Star into a dozen different styles. Slow it down and it's a ballad, play it with a piano and it sounds f*ckin' fantastic as you will hear soon when I put it on site.
In the industry, you have a publisher that is interested in the song, and a record company that is interested in the remix at the time. "Shooting Star" was unpublished for a long long time, and the MCPS (an industry royalty collection society) administered the rights to it. In other words, they said whether it could get "covered" by an outside party. That is the agreement I (and thousands of others) had with them, and they authorised All Around The World Records, to cover STR using thier artist, flip & fill.
They have now created a new remix and will release it. I promise, there will be other mixes, but like I said, if it's suitable for HH then it'll be here first. TTD is a good example, and no matter what happens to that, it was HH and always will have it's roots here.
OK, sorry to repeat, but I reckon it's important.
Credits. Yes, credits are vital, and I've seen my Shooting Star lyrics coupled with Bad Company, (their one is 1,00,000 times better though), I've seen many of my tracks as published by Next Generation Music, which is totally untrue. So you see, credits do get messed up.
Commercialistation in HH may happen, no one can stop that unfortunately. If you put music in the public domain, and 1,000,000 like it, it will get airplay, and another 1,000,000 will like it and so on.... you can't stop it.
HOWEVER, as I said before, YOU GUYS KNOW who the true HH artists are. And you can just ignore the crap. Don't buy it. Simple. Sesame's Treet went commercial, but only AFTER we'd released it. We never dreamt it would have that sort of success. However, if a huge marketing machine gets behind it, say from a big label and they use thier influence to get it on telly and the radio etc, then that's crap. That's manipulating the stuff. No one in HH has that sort of power, so if I release a track and it gets to #1 worldwide, it got there because its great and on its own merit. Not because I shoved a fistfull of dollars into a radio playlist chappies fat fingers.
There is one good thiong I thought of yesterday that happens when HH goes commercial. The independent radio stations give it a bit more airtime, and the vibe is fantastic. I'll never forget late 1991 early 1992, when Steve Jackson used to play stuff on Kiss FM here in London. He'd get DATs literally the next day after they'd been mastered in the studio. That's how SST got started, and to hear a new Shut Up & Dance track about two months before it came out was exciting. The vibe was electric, and everything was moving so fast. Sesame got into their "fone in five" weeks before it was even on promo!
You actually looked forward to listening to the radio, because you had tracks before they was on dub plate!
So, yes commercialisation has bad points, and there would be some crap, but you will know, which is which because you're inmmersed in HH all the time. And when the last major moves on to the next hot thing, we'll still be here, listening to our fav tracks, and I'll still be here releasing records.
It would be really difficult to do a cover version of say, "Piano Progression", because it's all music, but most of my stuff you can remix in many ways. If F&F hit the charts with STR then when someone slags off HH to you, you tell them, "That track got started in HH, and was first released 4 years ago!" How many Garage tunes could you cover? I'd like to see Whitney Houston do 21 seconds! LOL :))
sorry for the long post.
Cheers
Nick.
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