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whispering
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 Posted - 2007/03/23 : 12:09:21
Have Hardcore records released in CD or Vinyl, but dont yet have the Artist badge?
Silver fixed some bugs on the record DB, and i'm going to fiddle around with the DB a little bit in the weekend. Any artists that have a Hardcore track of their own released in CD/Vinyl format. But is not yet in the DB, give me all info of the record in a format specified here, and i will enter them, so you can have your Artist badge.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2007/03/23 : 13:15:56
What about MP3? I have one for sale on IMO downloads.
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silver
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Posted - 2007/03/23 : 14:52:14
Yah whispering and yah bugs fixes :)
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Originally posted by Mortis:
What about MP3? I have one for sale on IMO downloads.
I know what your saying but so does 1000 other people these days, unless you pressed 100 CD's, had a vinyl release or got on a CD compilation we had to draw the line somewhere.
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Chris B
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Posted - 2007/03/23 : 15:05:08
Have to say i kinda agree with that, you could easily just put a tune up for mp3 download and never sell more than a couple copies at 99p each, no different to anyone who just makes tunes in there bedroom for fun.
Suppose at same time you could get a phat load of vinyl pressed, nobody buys them and you just make a loss. Doesnt make you any better or more of a producer either.
So aye is a tricky one but i'd say getting it sold as vinyl in general a lot harder, you need to press 500 and be confident they'll sell, if you can shift that amount i think you have the right to call yourself a producer.
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Orbit1
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Posted - 2007/03/23 : 15:19:44
Hmm, on the whole I agree with this, but I see issues with digital labels that are off-shoots of bigger (vinyl pressing) ones.
Like Relentless Digital, Greyscale and RFUGrey.
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Chris B
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Posted - 2007/03/23 : 15:39:11
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
Hmm, on the whole I agree with this, but I see issues with digital labels that are off-shoots of bigger (vinyl pressing) ones.
Like Relentless Digital, Greyscale and RFUGrey.
But why if the tunes so amazing would they not stick it on there vinyl label then? Infact im pretty sure at least some of those labels you mentioned dont release on vinyl anymore fullstop.
The honest reason is they no most the tracks that they release on digital only could never be finacially worthwhile to make as a hard copy pressing. If your confident your track will shift the units you'd much rather have it on a more expensive vinyl format (bigger profit margins) than somethin that costs very little and can be pirated so easily without any loss in quality.
Digital means that theres no risks involved, so even if you only sell 10 copies you've lost nothing and mibbe gained a tenner or £20 i dunno how much an mp3 costs exactly.
But with somethin like this on the site, could end up with half the people posting having an artist badge, when really hardly any have made more than a couple quid out of it.
There was a similar topic on ush a couple weeks ago, about people who put "dj" or "mc" before there name when they've actually never even been paid to mix or rhyme or whatever.
Embarrasingly enough my msn has my old dj name but i had to agree with it when i saw the points.
A footballer is someone who gets paid to play football, if your in a sunday league or have a kick about with your mates you wouldnt say your a footballer.
So same rules apply really if your not getting paid to dj, mc or make music you arent really a dj, mc, or producer. Is just a hobby you enjoy doing.
When its your main income and earning more than your spending on it, things are a bit different. But for me and most others thats not happening by far. Spend loads on mky decks and vinyl, got a sampler, good soundcard and havent even got half the equipment i want to buy yet.
Never even thought about tryin to sell my music i make cos its shit, played in a pub before and got free drinks hahaha is about all i've ever got back from it all. But thats what its like when you have a hobby you enjoy and want to keep going with it.
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NeXuS
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Posted - 2007/03/23 : 16:53:15
Yay for the DB finally getting it's checkup! Been waiting for it.
If you need any help let me know.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/03/23 : 20:12:04
quote:
Originally posted by Chris B:
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
Hmm, on the whole I agree with this, but I see issues with digital labels that are off-shoots of bigger (vinyl pressing) ones.
Like Relentless Digital, Greyscale and RFUGrey.
But why if the tunes so amazing would they not stick it on there vinyl label then? Infact im pretty sure at least some of those labels you mentioned dont release on vinyl anymore fullstop.
The honest reason is they no most the tracks that they release on digital only could never be finacially worthwhile to make as a hard copy pressing. If your confident your track will shift the units you'd much rather have it on a more expensive vinyl format (bigger profit margins) than somethin that costs very little and can be pirated so easily without any loss in quality.
Digital means that theres no risks involved, so even if you only sell 10 copies you've lost nothing and mibbe gained a tenner or £20 i dunno how much an mp3 costs exactly.
But with somethin like this on the site, could end up with half the people posting having an artist badge, when really hardly any have made more than a couple quid out of it.
There was a similar topic on ush a couple weeks ago, about people who put "dj" or "mc" before there name when they've actually never even been paid to mix or rhyme or whatever.
Embarrasingly enough my msn has my old dj name but i had to agree with it when i saw the points.
A footballer is someone who gets paid to play football, if your in a sunday league or have a kick about with your mates you wouldnt say your a footballer.
So same rules apply really if your not getting paid to dj, mc or make music you arent really a dj, mc, or producer. Is just a hobby you enjoy doing.
When its your main income and earning more than your spending on it, things are a bit different. But for me and most others thats not happening by far. Spend loads on mky decks and vinyl, got a sampler, good soundcard and havent even got half the equipment i want to buy yet.
Never even thought about tryin to sell my music i make cos its shit, played in a pub before and got free drinks hahaha is about all i've ever got back from it all. But thats what its like when you have a hobby you enjoy and want to keep going with it.
Couldn't agree more!
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Orbit1
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Posted - 2007/03/23 : 23:44:39
Some very good points, but fails to address the a label like RFUGrey, who's sole purpose is to give away their music as free mp3s. What then?
What about digital labels who have a track on a big CD compilation and then proceed to use digital to release the track?
What about stuff on the CLSM mp3 store which hasn't seen vinyl yet, and maybe wont?
I just think its a bit unfair for people in that bucket.
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Posted - 2007/03/24 : 00:03:02
I can understand that, so hear that enVias? START PRESSIN VINYL ><
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Chris B
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Posted - 2007/03/24 : 00:09:04
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
Some very good points, but fails to address the a label like RFUGrey, who's sole purpose is to give away their music as free mp3s. What then?
I think its excellent to see people sharing there music for free, they certaintly dont have to and im sure loadsa fans appreciate it.
But still i dont think just because you shared a track you made for free you can call yourself an artist?
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What about digital labels who have a track on a big CD compilation and then proceed to use digital to release the track?
Am pretty sure silver said if your on a compilation you qualify as an artist anyway.
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What about stuff on the CLSM mp3 store which hasn't seen vinyl yet, and maybe wont?
I just think its a bit unfair for people in that bucket.
Jon Doe has had enough hits for well over 10 years in different rave and dance styles i'm sure he's counted as an artist whether his new stuffs on vinyl or not.
So at the end of the day the only people who are put "in that bucket" are people who have never made a certain amount of money or sales from a track. I dont think anyone who has a couple tracks on digital can say they make there living that way.
Is shit but theres a lot of good stuff that cant sell on vinyl anymore. Especially with stuff like breakbeat hardcore, i think a lot is killer music but if they cant even sell 500 copies worldwide you start to think is just a hobby and not a profession. Luna C wrote a massive speech about it at a while ago that i recommend everyone reads, i'll try and search for it but was a good while ago now.
It is affecting everything though and theres a lot less vinyl sales right through dance music. But styles like dnb, real hardcore, techno, trance, house, breaks, trance etc still have records coming out week in week out and make money from it cos they have the fanbase to do it, same as the big uk hardcore labels.
From what i've heard of digital sales is very poor, yes a lot of people have converted to cd decks, but i'd still say most consumer (bedroom dj's) havent. And for however many cd-dj's say they pay for there music, the vast majority dont and you can get the exact same quality of file sent to you as the people paying for it. Yes some people would rather pay to support artists, but most wont and thats a fact no matter how much people bitch about it or dj's sign up to PAID or whatever.
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kreatrix
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Posted - 2007/03/24 : 12:06:58
id like to say that no one really makes a living from hardcore production alone. its a mix of major mixed cds and bookings.
now for mp3 releases : you cant rule out mp3 releases because they are exactly the same as a vinyl release or on cd. someone worked there ass off to make a track, professionally. so it should be in any music database. money or no money ... this isnt soundclick where amateurs rules the mp3 market
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Chris B
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Posted - 2007/03/24 : 12:35:00
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Originally posted by kreatrix:
id like to say that no one really makes a living from hardcore production alone. its a mix of major mixed cds and bookings.
I think you'll find they do, maybe not for uk stuff but theres defo some HARDcore producers who are making enough to earn a living from it.
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now for mp3 releases : you cant rule out mp3 releases because they are exactly the same as a vinyl release or on cd. someone worked there ass off to make a track, professionally. so it should be in any music database. money or no money ... this isnt soundclick where amateurs rules the mp3 market
So what about a digital track thats sold no copies, or a couple friends and family bought it?
Do you really think anyone who's ever made something on reason, cubase, fl or whatever has he right to call themself an artist.
Agree to disagree on that one
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Posted - 2007/03/24 : 12:36:06
-RESISTCD86
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kreatrix
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Posted - 2007/03/24 : 13:01:45
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Originally posted by Chris B:
I think you'll find they do, maybe not for uk stuff but theres defo some HARDcore producers who are making enough to earn a living from it.
So what about a digital track thats sold no copies, or a couple friends and family bought it?
Do you really think anyone who's ever made something on reason, cubase, fl or whatever has he right to call themself an artist.
dude money in hardcore is a fantasy for 99% of us. you want money then go in house music or do what tiesto does. there is no money in underground music. its pretty much all out of love at this point.
anyone that spent years learning music on there time off is worth to be called an artist yes. if you dont take it seriously... i guess you're correct
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Posted - 2007/03/24 : 13:04:40
As has been said, a line needs to be drawn somewhere, and the argument could go round and round for months as to where that line is as regards downloads.
Its got nothing to do with making a living from Hardcore (or music in general). For instance, I know several established Artists (who are in the database) who have day jobs in sectors other than media/entertainment.
RFU Grey is a good example, although they give tracks away for free, and feature on many compilations (so they become artists that way) although their label tracks aren't allowed in the database. A bigger issue for me would be the state of the industry in general though regarding sales. Many labels have given up on vinyl, and even CD. When CDs do get pressed, often they are one-offs or small batches. A good example, it wasn't long ago that Luna C was considering jacking in vinyl for Kniteforce I seem to recall - is it right to not include Kniteforce tracks unless they are on a compilation?
In the States also, many labels are giving up on vinyl, and becoming mp3 only. Many great tracks fall into this category. What to do, what to do?
Like I said though, the line has to be drawn somewhere. If these tracks are allowed in, on what grounds? Would that mean that any idiot with a copy of Floops is entitled to be in the DB. To my mind lets sit it out and see what happens in the industry as a whole.
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