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Ken Masters
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 Posted - 2007/06/25 : 12:19:14
Referring to a blog that was posted on the main HH.com website it seems that Luna-C is packing up his boot & doing a Nancy Sinatra on us......... 2 ****ing right luna-c! Lets face it the hardcore scene (if there still is a scene) is a bit of a joke! Every track doesn't sound far off the other one, obvisouly with a few exceptions (Scott Brown, Kevin Energy, Sharkey ect) We should start to look closley @ these guy's because they a trying to re-introduce the dark style which made hardcore what it is today! When such an old skool legend like Luna-C says that hardcore needs a change then I think we should seriously take a step back & look back (or forward) to see what really makes us live the Hardcore Raver lifestyle!
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"I guess many of you will wonder if I will continue to make music? I am wondering that myself. I think that probably, yes, I will. Mainly because I will rebuild a studio in the USA, and I think its in my blood, I cant help myself. I like the idea of being able to really spend some time on music and I would like to try to do something new within Hardcore - because it desperately needs it." WELL SAID MATE!
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Edited by - Ken Masters on 2007/06/25 12:20:38 |
Mansy
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Posted - 2007/06/25 : 12:42:52
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Originally posted by narcotik:
Referring to a blog that was posted on the main HH.com website it seems that Luna-C is packing up his boot & doing a Nancy Sinatra on us......... 2 ****ing right luna-c! Lets face it the hardcore scene (if there still is a scene) is a bit of a joke! Every track doesn't sound far off the other one, obvisouly with a few exceptions (Scott Brown, Kevin Energy, Sharkey ect) We should start to look closley @ these guy's because they a trying to re-introduce the dark style which made hardcore what it is today!
we all have our opinions and i think its bit over the top to say that they all sound a like which i think is total bollox, if they all sounded the same then they would all be called the same track, and what makes you say that scott browns tracks dont sound the same, i think some of his tracks are all the same
opinions vary
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Posted - 2007/06/25 : 13:19:31
Musically, almost all hardcore follows the same format. I like it, but I'm growing less and less fond of it as the days go by. I think we need more artists pushing the boundaries of hardcore.
Examples:
Darwin
CLSM
Sharkey
Arkitech (although he's become a little formulaic as of late imo)
Luna C
Gammer (Muffin Music)
Marc Smith
Kurt (the non-vocal tracks, i.e. Beatz Control, etc.)
Alek Szahala
Cube::Hard (RfuGrey)
Invader
Everyone else pretty much follows the same format for their tracks. I want something groundbreaking and new. I'm tired of the same old breakdowns and buildups in every track. It's been done for ages.
Not that I don't like hardcore, but I do think it needs a change.
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2007/06/25 : 15:39:13
That's exactly what I'm talking about leto. I'm not trying to put hardcore down. People that you mentioned & Scott Brown all pay respects to what hardcore is all about afterall that's what got them into it in the first place! We just have to create different styles & try & progress before we get stuck in this commercial hole!
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2007/06/25 : 23:38:21
On the subject of change...I just feel hardcore has settled down the last few years and become...tired. I think every producer from Styles to Scott to CLSM is facing a similar challenge now. How do you remain true to the hardcore sound, but not do something thats been done before? I have no easy answer. Well, I have one - all of the current big names should quit (including me) lol...this would allow new people with new ideas to come through, unhindered by the old methods of running a business and more focused on the music. But I doubt that will happen, eh?....Then again, look at BangFace. Theres a lot to be learned from that I think!
As for me, I think a few months off will have me itching to get in the studio and bursting with ideas. I think change is coming - its inevitable. And I belive it will take a new approach to the whole music business. I have an idea of what I want to do next, but its still in a very pre planning sort of stage. We will see what happens!
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Leto
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Posted - 2007/06/25 : 23:48:29
Where you moving to in the US?
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Posted - 2007/06/26 : 00:41:02
I'm still in hopes of making a trip over the the UK and schedule it around a bangface party
and yeah, where abouts in the US of A are you & Bex moving to Chris? I'm guessing one of the coasts?
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/06/26 : 00:44:08
The EDM scene is beginning again, only this time with a new spin on it. We're in a very similar situation to the 80's. Let's look back. By the early 60's, rock 'n' roll was around, and it was already considered a menace to society, but was rather poppy and middle of the road to us today. In the late 60's, rock (acid rock) went completely insane when it found LSD. Rock music took over the nation (the US, in particular), and in 67 we had a summer of love. In the 70's, rock music became an institution, with a lot of the values of the early acid rock scene still there. A large, very commercially viable variety of rock was around, but fragmentation was still going on. The ideas of "metal", "blues rock", "folk rock", and "punk rock." came around. All the varieties of rock continued to fragment and become even more of a niche market. Eventually, the only way for music to distinguish itself was to be extreme. In the early 80's, all the utopian dreams of an earlier age had been completely crushed, and rock was either the absolute height of cheese, or some extreme variety of a previous subgenre (hardcore punk in particular.)
By the early 80's, EDM was already around, and was already considered a menace to society (first E crackdowns in Houston, Michael Alig, cocaine excesses). In the late 80's, EDM (acid house) went absolutely insane after finding Ecstasy (in the UK in particular), and in 88 we had the second summer of love. In the 90's, EDM became something of an institution, with a lot of the values of the early acid house scene still there. A large, very commercial variety of EDM (house) was still around, but fragmentation was still going on. The ideas of "hardcore," "drum n bass", "trance", and "breakbeat" came around. All the varieties of EDM continued to fragment and become even more of a niche market (think of how many kinds of hardcore exist.) Eventually, the only way for music to distinguish itself was the be extreme (or "extremely" something, like extremely uplifting.) In the turn of the millenium, all the utopian dreams of an earlier age had been completely crushed, and EDM was either the absolute height of cheese or some extreme variety of a previous subgenre (hardcore in particular.)
By the early 00's, rave (or whatever it is you want to call it) was already around, and considered a menace to society (the RAVE act, huge media frenzies about the dangers of raves) ...
And this is where we're at in terms of the cycle. In the 60's, the prevailing idea was "I will". While it masqueraded as "We Will", the idea was on personal freedom and the ability for one person to acheive anything. In the 80's, the prevailing idea was "We are". While it masqueraded as "We Will", the idea was of acceptance of our lives, and learning to love the world and be one with it. In the new millennium, the prevailing idea will be "We Will", and some serious changes will be getting done.
We're really on the verge of something utopian here, because we're the first generation to not only have a massive amount of energy to accomplish something, but a hugely recorded history of how to operate a counterculture. A new drug and a new scene will explode in 2009. I'm not sure what exactly will happen, but something for sure is going on right now, right underneath our noses, and when it gets a hold of a new sound and a new chemical, it's going to go insane. My guess is that there will be a synthesis of the two previous countercultures, with the loose improvisation of the 60's being paired with the tight mechanism of the 80's. A fusion of electronic and organic, and the cycle of counterculture will begin again.
Or at least, that's what I think.
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Posted - 2007/06/26 : 01:15:50
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
On the subject of change...I just feel hardcore has settled down the last few years and become...tired. I think every producer from Styles to Scott to CLSM is facing a similar challenge now. How do you remain true to the hardcore sound, but not do something thats been done before? I have no easy answer. Well, I have one - all of the current big names should quit (including me) lol...this would allow new people with new ideas to come through, unhindered by the old methods of running a business and more focused on the music. But I doubt that will happen, eh?....Then again, look at BangFace. Theres a lot to be learned from that I think!
As for me, I think a few months off will have me itching to get in the studio and bursting with ideas. I think change is coming - its inevitable. And I belive it will take a new approach to the whole music business. I have an idea of what I want to do next, but its still in a very pre planning sort of stage. We will see what happens!
Obviously the answer is to make donk.
And lots of it.
(I keed I keed!)
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Leto
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Posted - 2007/06/26 : 01:18:12
You know what? I just listened to a Lost Soul track (Love Can Destroy), and I have to say, that guy is making some far out productions.
Add Lost Soul to the list! :P
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Edited by - Leto on 2007/06/26 01:18:53 |
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Posted - 2007/06/26 : 06:38:39
One thing that I noticed is there's only like 4 Labels that put out records every month... EP, Maximum Impact, Next Generation, I like the Hardcore Breaks scene though... Raving gets old unless you really love the music! Breaks, for me!, it's sad, I like Trance sometimes too... Do it for the money if you got too, like the bootleg pop vocals with DnB!
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Posted - 2007/06/26 : 13:25:32
Apart from Kniteforce stuff can't say I listen to any modern Happycore. The Hardcore Breaks scene is doing it for me at the moment as its more akin to the early to mid 90's Hardcore that I love. For me the Hardcore Breaks scene is the new direction for Hardcore but I doubt it'll be the same for most people on here. Shame its taken so long!
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2007/06/26 : 13:37:19
Pope C XXIII I think I can be that new chemical! The drugs ain't needed! I am the drug!
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Posted - 2007/06/26 : 14:07:01
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Originally posted by Fluffbomb:
For me the Hardcore Breaks scene is the new direction for Hardcore
Same 
Hardcore breaks, Breakbeat, Acid/Hard Techno is all I seem to be buying these days. I pick up the odd UK hardcore release (mainly TnC and the harder freeform stuff) but it's probably 10% of what I was buying half a year a go. The mainstream stuff really has gone quite stale.
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/06/26 : 17:12:50
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Originally posted by narcotik:
Pope C XXIII I think I can be that new chemical! The drugs ain't needed! I am the drug!
Drugs aren't needed for a countercultural movement to gain momentum, but it sure does help. 
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2007/06/26 : 17:46:50
you're right there mate!
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