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SickPigRecords
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 Posted - 2007/08/06 : 13:50:08
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Originally posted by Jax:
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
keep talking like if hardcore's the onyl genre affected by piracy please
was that @ me?
btw influx, there is a differance between £2 and $2 (aus), £2 is nearly $5 (aus)
if artists make £0.50 / £1 per vinyl sale (which has Two tunes on it) why do they feel its right to sell mp3s for nearly the same price as hardcore vinyl?
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2007/08/06 : 14:53:21
just buy mid 90s vinyl off ebay, the music's better anyway, oh but if you want up to date stuff check out KFA too, they got the right idea that going back to the roots is the way forward!
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2007/08/06 : 15:28:57
Alls im gonna say is an mp3 store should have 320 bit rate mp3's. Everyone is lucky theyre not charging half what a vinyl is. I think that a smaller scene needs more expensive tunes to actually stick around. I know if i released a track and got 100 bucks for it and i was an ESTABLISHED producer i wouldnt give much time to hardcore if i needed to pay the bills ill tell you that much.
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SickPigRecords
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Posted - 2007/08/06 : 15:32:13
bulls*** you shouldnt be doing it for the cash and even if you were you would get more than 100 bucks and if a tune takes you a day or two to make. 100 bucks for doing somthing you enjoy is good deal's
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2007/08/06 : 15:38:12
i didnt say id never do put any time into hardcore. But dude if you need to pay the bills you need money to do that. What r u gonan do, make a wickid tune composing on a lap top sitting ina gutter? Youll make something in a different genre to have money to pay the bills, then go back what you LOVE doing. What i mean is hardcore will take a back seat, when it shouldnt, because people only wanna pay $1 not $2.
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Posted - 2007/08/06 : 15:49:42
Here we go with my 2 cent:)
@INFLUX
As jax stated there is a big difference in $2 and £2, i have 100's of wav files so although £2 might not seem much but when your buying many every week it sure mounts up.
Also keep in mind we are talking about a format that has poorer sound quality! And possible has DRM protection in it!
@eddiewould
I would have to disagree, since i have been using a DVS i no longer download mp3s although before i would just to see what vinyl were worth buying prior to purchase! If you read the nfo file that comes with any of the tracks all i have ever saw were from a vinyl release!
@Jax
100% agree mate:)
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The argument about HHC being a small genre doesn't justify the higher prices of the files, there are plenty more genre's that have release on various sites
Ghetto tech! Have you heard of that? Juno can sell the uncompressed wavfiles for £2. Is that a big genre?
I have got to agree with sickpig if your making tunes just for the money you would have to be stupid to make HHC! You should be doing it for the love of the music not for money!
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/08/06 : 15:50:50
If i keep the thing SickPigRec is on about in his last post. What artist goes into hardcore for the money? I can't say that many of the upcomming producers are doing it for that. Their reason is propably because they liek the music or that's a hobby to produce. None of them are considering Hardcore (or music in general) as a form of generating money. This could be because most of the upcomers are still in school.
Just to make a statement, why did the likes of Hixxy, Sharkey, UFO, Kevin energy, DJ 'Alistair' Storm and Sy (I dont know if I should mention Seduction here or not). I would like to hear a statement of that, because I don't think it's about there bloody money (not back then atleast)
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Shades
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Posted - 2007/08/06 : 16:40:07
simple answer to a simple thread........
i think your losing your love for hardcore
if you WANT something bad enough you'll find a way to get it, get a job, sell your body... whatever!
£2 a track ain't exactly breaking the bank ffs
just buy the ones you WANT & save your cash like everyone else has too
rare vinyl can sell for hundreds, but people buy it coz they WANT it
the price tag reflex on how much you WANT it, theres gonna be good tracks & bad tracks
if you don't wanna take the risk.....don't buy them.
just buy the ones you want.
i paid about £4.00 for oli g - gir a couple of years ago on mp3 & i've never regretted it, coz i WANTED it.
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/08/06 : 17:41:37
4 QUID? where the hell did you get it from?
It's a good tune, and I wouldnt have said no to pay 4 quid for it... but i bought it for 1.50 (inc VAT tax)
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2007/08/07 : 02:04:25
I think its greatly hypocritical to say to me that i shouldnt be in it for the money, and that Hardcore isnt about the money, and then bitch about the difference between 1 pound and 2 that you have to pay for the actual tracks.
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/08/07 : 05:17:57
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Originally posted by Influx:
I think its greatly hypocritical to say to me that i shouldnt be in it for the money, and that Hardcore isnt about the money, and then bitch about the difference between 1 pound and 2 that you have to pay for the actual tracks.
I wouldn't say it's hypocritical. Producers shouldn't make money that puts DJs (and casual listeners) in the poorhouse (I eggagerate, but you get the idea.) IMO, $1.50 - $2.00 is a fair price per track, especially when it's with small labels distributing over the internet, which is a lot cheaper than a major label paying off CEO's, a huge corporation, and paying for distribution that is way more costly than paying for bandwidth.
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whispering
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Posted - 2007/08/07 : 07:28:00
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Originally posted by Influx:
Alls im gonna say is an mp3 store should have 320 bit rate mp3's. Everyone is lucky theyre not charging half what a vinyl is. I think that a smaller scene needs more expensive tunes to actually stick around. I know if i released a track and got 100 bucks for it and i was an ESTABLISHED producer i wouldnt give much time to hardcore if i needed to pay the bills ill tell you that much.
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that artists should be paid for their work. I know a lot of new producers just hope they would get something back from the money they have invested in the equipment, and they have every right for it. But if they charge insane prices, the only ones paying it are the DJ's. If there was a track that would be just awesome, i would be extremely happy to find it for "just" £2, but those tracks are rare. Music listeners usually listen a lot of music. If all music would be priced the same, and that price would be £2, i would pay it. But i wouldnt invest any more or less to music then i do now. If they would sell the tunes for £0.5, i would most likely still invest the same amount of money towards "the scene". I think a lot of people would too.
Now? i buy compilations, the price is about £12 for a 3CD compilation. The royalties are divided to about 100 producers, which is probably next to nothing for an individual artist. But if i would buy those separatedly, i wouldnt buy even a quarter of the tracks. And thats my point. If i could buy the same amount of tracks that i want, i would be willing to pay 3 times more for that "compilation". And the money would go to the "right people".
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Posted - 2007/08/07 : 08:48:31
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Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
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Originally posted by Influx:
I think its greatly hypocritical to say to me that i shouldnt be in it for the money, and that Hardcore isnt about the money, and then bitch about the difference between 1 pound and 2 that you have to pay for the actual tracks.
I wouldn't say it's hypocritical. Producers shouldn't make money that puts DJs (and casual listeners) in the poorhouse (I eggagerate, but you get the idea.) IMO, $1.50 - $2.00 is a fair price per track, especially when it's with small labels distributing over the internet, which is a lot cheaper than a major label paying off CEO's, a huge corporation, and paying for distribution that is way more costly than paying for bandwidth.
Does £1.50 - £2.00 not work out as more for people in USA due to the exchange rate though?
I don't think it's an unreasonable price TBH, I would prefer WAV files mind.
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Posted - 2007/08/07 : 10:30:22
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Originally posted by SickPigRecords:
....and if a tune takes you a day or two to make.
a day or two?!
....I wish.
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SickPigRecords
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Posted - 2007/08/07 : 10:50:37
you old slow git lol
i mean as in 8 - 20 houurs spent hell i have made a whole tune in about one and a half hours wasnt great but the idea was down in fact i will dig it out is is there was some dude on here a while ago er... dasfisken or somthing like that made a kickass hardcore tune in an hour just needed mixdown
but some times i just cant finnish what i have started lol its swings and roundabouts
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