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Ken Masters
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 Posted - 2007/11/27 : 13:52:03
So were finally feeling the effects of greedy labels churning out the most cheesy cd's because they knew that the idiots would buy this shit! Clubland Extreme, Hardcore Adreneline, ect, cd's like this have ruined hardcore! They have taken it to a shitty commercial level & now it's not at the cool underground level it used to be! Not a lot of people are putting the time in to create some kick ass hardcore cd's & tracks they're just getting churned out to make money & the idiots have woken up! Mabey labels like this going out of business is not such a bad thing because it means that younger fresh talent can try & take it back underground where it belongs & we can go back to where hardcore used to be & should be.
Silver 'November 2007 is shaping up to be a bad month for hardcore, first Amato Distribution does bankrupt and now Resist Music, makes of the CD series Bonkers & Hardcore Heaven just to name two hardcore titles.
We had been hearing rumors all weekend about this information but waited to confirm before posting anything. We've confirmed via one of the major artists that worked with Resist that the company has indeed gone bankrupt with emails to staff also auto returning saying they no longer work there anymore.'
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FingazMc
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 14:01:23
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Originally posted by narcotik:
So were finally feeling the effects of greedy labels churning out the most cheesy cd's because they knew that the idiots would buy this shit! Clubland Extreme, Hardcore Adreneline, ect, cd's like this have ruined hardcore! They have taken it to a shitty commercial level & now it's not at the cool underground level it used to be! Not a lot of people are putting the time in to create some kick ass hardcore cd's & tracks they're just getting churned out to make money & the idiots have woken up! Mabey labels like this going out of business is not such a bad thing because it means that younger fresh talent can try & take it back underground where it belongs & we can go back to where hardcore used to be & should be.
I totally agree with you, but i cant blame so many dj's/producers "cashing in" on hardcores new found success i mean it wasnt like they were making bucket loads of cash before.But the quality of hardcore has dropped in my personal opinion, you dont really get the anthems you used to nowadays. I think that the people that have gotton into hardcore since its popularity will find something else to bring commercial from the underground soon enough. I always thought that the major commercialisation of Hard house killed it, same with garage. I just hope that hardcore doesent branch off into loads of mini genre's when the popularity dies down like it did with those 2.
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2007/11/27 : 14:47:52
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I think that the people that have gotton into hardcore since its popularity will find something else to bring commercial from the underground soon enough. I always thought that the major commercialisation of Hard house killed it, same with garage. I just hope that hardcore doesent branch off into loads of mini genre's when the popularity dies down like it did with those 2.
It already has in a way... There seems to be alot of people learning towards not just Old Skool from the 1990s but there are alot of people starting to get tired of the 'Upfront UK' sound that was good back in 2003/2004 but has now gone stale! There is alot of good Hardcore coming out but I havnt taken to it like I have with Bouncy Techno and other 1990s genres of Hardcore! With the resale of alot of old Bonkers and 'Old Skool' & 'Classics' mixes coming out (Best of Bonkers ect) then alot of people are hearing the more raw sounding Hardcore of 12/13 years ago!
I myself am soon to be putting together some old skool mixes full of the classics that alot of people would have ver heard before because they were too young then (I was 9-10 back then) or that it was more underground (im sure some people were around in the 1990s would have liked Hardcore if they heard it but might have never had the chance to!)
One thing I always think that if I have never heard a track before, its new to me! It dosnt matter if it was made in 1991 or 2007, if it is new to me then it is new! So im discovering all these old stuff that are as new to me as the 'latest, Freshest & most Upfront' of today's tunes!
Even 95_was_the_time has done a mid 1990s sounding track & there are some bigger names who have done some 'throwback' stuff...
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 15:13:39
I never thought id say anything bad about the genre i love. But after seeing that Clubland X-treme hardcore 4 advert, all i know that it will bite a big hole in what has got hardcore in the uk back in the level. 2008 is a make or break year i have to say.
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 15:31:08
This is what I like to hear! It's great to see people talking like this. We need to make a change. I can't blame DJ's/Producers wanting to make money & i'm sure hardcore going commercial is a dream come true for a lot of DJ's/Producers who have stuck with the scene the whole time & I have great respect for them but we have to keep a tight grip of OUR music & not let these big labels take over just because they want to make money of something that is popular at the moment. Bringing back old skool set's is a great way to educate the 2000+(i mean after 1999) crew that don't really understand what the hardcore scene was all about! It's lost it's individualality & there needs to be a major change! Let's go back to our roots & all the DJ's/Producers had better stop selling us out cause their are in great danger of killing the music altogether!
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 15:46:24
Last Saturday.
In my Town of Gt.Yarmouth, we had an Event called ' Dance Paradise - The Reunion '
The Whole place was packed out. It was the best event i've been to so far in my life.
It was pure old skool Happy hardcore, Drum n Bass & Jungle.
I was waiting outside in line and there we're people from liverpool even down here, They said they hope they don't play anything 'like the commercial' stuff.
Everyone loved it, DJ Force played brilliant set. Even Nakatomi - children of the night was played :)
This is the kind of hardcore id like to see as popular and more recognised. More nights like this!
More people turned up for this event, then they did the say Commercial hardcore stuff. Which i liked to see!
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FingazMc
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 15:48:59
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Bringing back old skool set's is a great way to educate the 2000+(i mean after 1999) crew that don't really understand what the hardcore scene was all about!
Yea you dont really hear the love, peace and unity thing that much nowadays.
I know it sounds stupid but once the whole hardcore phase is over it'll be people like us that will be going to the raves, buying the records and almost deciding what tunes are popular. So alot of Dj's/Producers should really listen to what the older generation of ravers (dont mean old in age just been involved in the scene for a long time) has to say now because soon enough it'll be back to just them and us. lol
Also just want to say also looking foreward to your bouncy techno n' happy gabber set Smoogie.
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 16:30:08
I've got a track i've been working on over the past few weeks that i'm sure you'll all love to hear especially dj brownieboy. I've taken a spoken sample from The War of the Worlds soundtrack & went to town & produced an original Breakbeat/Jungletechno track to go with it. The samples were taken from the original vinyl so may seem a bit crackly but It's got a great old skool feel to it & also a look to the future because it takes the old sound of Breakbeat/Jungletechno to a newer level & I think that is what we have to go back to in order to go forward! Just uploading right now! will get it posted asap!
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jenks
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 16:47:47
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Originally posted by narcotik:
So were finally feeling the effects of greedy labels churning out the most cheesy cd's because they knew that the idiots would buy this shit! Clubland Extreme, Hardcore Adreneline, ect, cd's like this have ruined hardcore! They have taken it to a shitty commercial level & now it's not at the cool underground level it used to be! Not a lot of people are putting the time in to create some kick ass hardcore cd's & tracks they're just getting churned out to make money & the idiots have woken up! Mabey labels like this going out of business is not such a bad thing because it means that younger fresh talent can try & take it back underground where it belongs & we can go back to where hardcore used to be & should be.
Why should it be underground? Who decides what hardcore should be?
A new distributor will replace Amato in no time, and Resist will reform with a new name. It's not going to be that much of a dent, Raverbaby are hardly going to pack up their CD decks and go home...
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 17:19:08
sorry lads, having a bit of trouble with uploading the track. Will get it uploaded asap!
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 17:44:24
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Also just want to say also looking foreward to your bouncy techno n' happy gabber set Smoogie.
Thanks!  It will take a bit of work getting it up at first but hopefully it will be the first of many mixes from me! Other members have uploaded a few good mixes over the last year, they know who they are! Like djbrownieboy said, next year I think the scene will see some changes, maybe it will go back 'underground' or maybe the scene will die out (but not permanently) like in 2000!
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 20:06:21
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Originally posted by narcotik:
So were finally feeling the effects of greedy labels churning out the most cheesy cd's because they knew that the idiots would buy this shit! Clubland Extreme, Hardcore Adreneline, ect, cd's like this have ruined hardcore! They have taken it to a shitty commercial level & now it's not at the cool underground level it used to be! Not a lot of people are putting the time in to create some kick ass hardcore cd's & tracks they're just getting churned out to make money & the idiots have woken up! Mabey labels like this going out of business is not such a bad thing because it means that younger fresh talent can try & take it back underground where it belongs & we can go back to where hardcore used to be & should be.
Why should it be underground? Who decides what hardcore should be?
A new distributor will replace Amato in no time, and Resist will reform with a new name. It's not going to be that much of a dent, Raverbaby are hardly going to pack up their CD decks and go home...
its not like the reasons the companies went bust were because of commercial hardcore anyway resist did much more than just hardcore and am willing to bet that amato also pressed other stuff and not just hardcore!
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 20:38:32
but maybe hardcore is getting more commercial because the entire rave industry is tired of the old sounds that aren't really develeping in any direction at the moment and is demanding for somehting new and hardcore as a genre has now the opportunity to maybe even break through and not only in the uk?
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 21:28:14
Yes, I love the older sound a lot more, but at the same time, there are many tracks from today's sound I enjoy. "Every Single Day", "Moonlight Party", "Be Happy", "Really Love You (Remix)" just to name a few.
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 21:30:48
Not a big fan old sound but I have loads of favourites such as "Lost Our Minds" "Fires In The Sky" "Club Crashing" and "Eternity" prefer not to say the rest.
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 21:35:59
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Not a big fan old sound but I have loads of favourites such as "Lost Our Minds" "Fires In The Sky" "Club Crashing" and "Eternity" prefer not to say the rest.
Are you referring those to "old sounds"?
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