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sparkyidr
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 Posted - 2007/12/02 : 13:07:00
back on topic :
As a hardcore producer, I am constatly looking to find that middle ground with a sound that I want to create, and a sound that the ravers actually want to listen to.
The main problem is (as I see it) there are so many little pockets of ravers who all like a slightly different syle of hardcore. Some like the harder stuff, some like the quirky techie stuff, and a lot like the song based almost commercial sounding stuff.
I myself like the song based stuff, and the techie weirdness, so recently I have been trying to work both together a little.
But....this is why hardcore will never totaly go commercial. The "fan base" for want of a better word just isn't there.
In recent times some larger labels, have tried to MAKE this fanbase, by getting remixes of their more commercial tracks done in a hardcore style.
Pretty much all hardcore artists/producers make any kind of money from the compilations that these tracks appear on, so it's no supprise that we all get a little involved in doing that kind of thing. (Especially those of us that don't have a DJ career to fall back on). It's either that, or go off and make some other forms of music. The fact that producers are still sticking with Hardcore should be a good sign. there is historically no money it, and the mainstream music press generaly hate it (or dont understand it). That means producers are sticking with it for THE LOVE....and pretty much nothing else.........that's about as underground as it gets i.m.o.
But...the truth is... the money for comiplations has to come from somewhere....and that money is always going to put certain commercial pressures on the compilation to sell well. It's a simple fact of business..and love it or hate it, this is the music BUSINESS.
No one sets out to make a bad compilation cd, I can assure you. But they DO set out to create a cd that will sell, and recoup it's money, and hopefully make some profit.
reading this thread, I see a lot of people talking about how strong a possition hardcore is in at the mo. But from my point of view, it's just as fragile now than it has ever been.
People go on about how they like the old stuff....so I have seen a lot of updates of classic tunes. But then the people involved get slated for having no original ideas and going back to their old stuff. When people do come out with original stuff, it gets slated ON THE INTERNET cos it's not what people say they want. It's kind of a no win situation at times, and yet people stick with it...for the love I can only assume again.
anyways.. I've prattled on far too much, so I'll shut up now. Not 100% sure what my point is, only to say that....you can't please all of the people all of the time...even though you may try very very hard to at all times.
Sparks
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Audio X
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Posted - 2007/12/02 : 18:34:51
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Originally posted by sparkyidr:
back on topic :
As a hardcore producer, I am constatly looking to find that middle ground with a sound that I want to create, and a sound that the ravers actually want to listen to.
The main problem is (as I see it) there are so many little pockets of ravers who all like a slightly different syle of hardcore. Some like the harder stuff, some like the quirky techie stuff, and a lot like the song based almost commercial sounding stuff.
I myself like the song based stuff, and the techie weirdness, so recently I have been trying to work both together a little.
But....this is why hardcore will never totaly go commercial. The "fan base" for want of a better word just isn't there.
In recent times some larger labels, have tried to MAKE this fanbase, by getting remixes of their more commercial tracks done in a hardcore style.
Pretty much all hardcore artists/producers make any kind of money from the compilations that these tracks appear on, so it's no supprise that we all get a little involved in doing that kind of thing. (Especially those of us that don't have a DJ career to fall back on). It's either that, or go off and make some other forms of music. The fact that producers are still sticking with Hardcore should be a good sign. there is historically no money it, and the mainstream music press generaly hate it (or dont understand it). That means producers are sticking with it for THE LOVE....and pretty much nothing else.........that's about as underground as it gets i.m.o.
But...the truth is... the money for comiplations has to come from somewhere....and that money is always going to put certain commercial pressures on the compilation to sell well. It's a simple fact of business..and love it or hate it, this is the music BUSINESS.
No one sets out to make a bad compilation cd, I can assure you. But they DO set out to create a cd that will sell, and recoup it's money, and hopefully make some profit.
reading this thread, I see a lot of people talking about how strong a possition hardcore is in at the mo. But from my point of view, it's just as fragile now than it has ever been.
People go on about how they like the old stuff....so I have seen a lot of updates of classic tunes. But then the people involved get slated for having no original ideas and going back to their old stuff. When people do come out with original stuff, it gets slated ON THE INTERNET cos it's not what people say they want. It's kind of a no win situation at times, and yet people stick with it...for the love I can only assume again.
anyways.. I've prattled on far too much, so I'll shut up now. Not 100% sure what my point is, only to say that....you can't please all of the people all of the time...even though you may try very very hard to at all times.
Sparks
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Well said, Sparkles!
As a side note, before I actually started releasing tracks, I was under the impression (like a lot of youngsters) that being a hardcore artist was going to rake in the cash. But you know, even when I figured out otherwise, I still kept doing it because I love the music, and because I love having records with my name on them, and when it really comes down to it I couldn't imagine doing it for any other reasons.
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Orbit1
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Posted - 2007/12/04 : 07:22:55
quote:
back on topic :
As a hardcore producer, I am constatly looking to find that middle ground with a sound that I want to create, and a sound that the ravers actually want to listen to.
The main problem is (as I see it) there are so many little pockets of ravers who all like a slightly different syle of hardcore. Some like the harder stuff, some like the quirky techie stuff, and a lot like the song based almost commercial sounding stuff.
I myself like the song based stuff, and the techie weirdness, so recently I have been trying to work both together a little.
But....this is why hardcore will never totaly go commercial. The "fan base" for want of a better word just isn't there.
In recent times some larger labels, have tried to MAKE this fanbase, by getting remixes of their more commercial tracks done in a hardcore style.
Pretty much all hardcore artists/producers make any kind of money from the compilations that these tracks appear on, so it's no supprise that we all get a little involved in doing that kind of thing. (Especially those of us that don't have a DJ career to fall back on). It's either that, or go off and make some other forms of music. The fact that producers are still sticking with Hardcore should be a good sign. there is historically no money it, and the mainstream music press generaly hate it (or dont understand it). That means producers are sticking with it for THE LOVE....and pretty much nothing else.........that's about as underground as it gets i.m.o.
But...the truth is... the money for comiplations has to come from somewhere....and that money is always going to put certain commercial pressures on the compilation to sell well. It's a simple fact of business..and love it or hate it, this is the music BUSINESS.
No one sets out to make a bad compilation cd, I can assure you. But they DO set out to create a cd that will sell, and recoup it's money, and hopefully make some profit.
reading this thread, I see a lot of people talking about how strong a possition hardcore is in at the mo. But from my point of view, it's just as fragile now than it has ever been.
People go on about how they like the old stuff....so I have seen a lot of updates of classic tunes. But then the people involved get slated for having no original ideas and going back to their old stuff. When people do come out with original stuff, it gets slated ON THE INTERNET cos it's not what people say they want. It's kind of a no win situation at times, and yet people stick with it...for the love I can only assume again.
anyways.. I've prattled on far too much, so I'll shut up now. Not 100% sure what my point is, only to say that....you can't please all of the people all of the time...even though you may try very very hard to at all times.
Sparks
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QTF 
Hey sparks, is Billy still hassling you about his love of cheese?
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Mental_Adam
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Posted - 2007/12/04 : 20:03:26
If I could make music.
I've given up on FL Studio, I Need something like eJay again! but a hardcore/gabber version
Id make hardcore so everyone would like... None of this 'Hardcore adrenaline 2' stuff :)
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Gandhishazny
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Posted - 2007/12/04 : 21:00:59
It's really interesting to read a topic like this while the people I am friends with all buy the CDs like Adrenaline etc. I heard my first hardcore tune year and a half ago and didn't think much of it, but I went to HMV one day and got Bonkers14 and loved it. That is the only hardcore album I have ever bought apart from Best Of Bonkers, after hearing a lot of the new stuff i started to wonder where it all came from and listened to a "Back to '95" set and haven't looked back.
I am now 16 and only buy around 1995 hardcore.
I am also surprised that resist packed it in...I thought Bonkers sold a HUGE amount of CDs?
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Mental_Adam
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Posted - 2007/12/04 : 21:27:15
Oh yeah indeed, Bonkers compilations over the years have sold bucket loads.
It is the best selling hardcore compilations of all time
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Audio X
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Posted - 2007/12/04 : 21:37:36
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Originally posted by Gandhishazny:
I am also surprised that resist packed it in...I thought Bonkers sold a HUGE amount of CDs?
Bonkers was only one series that they put out. In fact Hardcore wasn't their main focus at all... they did a lot of commercial dance music albums as well. Bad accounting is the only reason I can think of for what did them in, as the piracy scapegoat seems very flimsy.
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Analog Dreams
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Posted - 2007/12/05 : 02:50:01
so wait...no more bonkers?
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2007/12/06 : 18:00:15
These are great points & suggestions! It's showing that alot of Ravers do care about what happens to hardcore but it's all up to you whether or not you buy these cd's & all the ravers make a difference to the scene in their own way! just stay tru to the real hardcore sound otherwise it might get lost forever!
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2007/12/06 : 18:03:27
the words rave and business shouldn't even be in the same ****ing sentence.
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