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georgeisabamf
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 Posted - 2008/01/22 : 15:00:34
I am doing a report for my English class at school and need ideas that are PRO legalization of MDMA. I also need opposing views as well, but I mostly need reasons why E should be allowed, and some medical benefits.
Any info. would be much appreciated. I know basicly all I need to know. But I want to hear other people's thoughts and ideas to gain a little more knowledge.
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2008/01/22 : 15:07:25
Good points: The Buzz, raves wouldn't have been the way they were if it wasn't for the 'love buzz' football hooligans and racists all got along, you don't get that with drink or coke! The reason why people think chavs start fights and ruin today's raves is because E isn't aloud so it becomes like any other club only playing Hardcore!
Bad points: Overdosing, head **** (you never can be too sure whats in them) and some people get obsessed with them and become irresponsible! This can sometimesd be known as the 'phase'
I would like E to be legal but I don't see that happening to soon!
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 15:09:01
I like MDMA but there is no way it should be legalised, i can't think of anything positive about the legalisation of it. I'm struggling to form a question describing what i think about why youd want it to be legal :P Saying it should be legal i think is a very ignorant of the fact that it's really bad.
The state of todays rave's isnt because mdma isn't allowed in them, it never has been allowed! Either way it didn't and still dosn't stop anyone whatsoever doing it. Raves are worse now coz of commercialisation.
Overdosing and generally any bad experiance is not a factor if you know what your doing, those things only happen to careless people.
This is a really badly articulated post of mine at the moment because my mind isn't stimulated enough at the moment, i'll get back to it later :P
Edit: The only positive thing about legalisation is the fact that it could be quality controlled, but that still wouldn't take away how bad it is. These days alot of people can get hold of MDMA crystals which is pure anyway.
Wanting it to be legal is like pretending it's not unhealthy, and that is just rediculous.
As for medical benefits, you should try to look for the discovery that was made a while ago of the effect of MDMA on parkinsons disease, quite a ground breaking discovery.
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 15:39:02
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I like MDMA but there is no way it should be legalised, i can't think of anything positive about the legalisation of it. I'm struggling to form a question describing what i think about why youd want it to be legal :P Saying it should be legal i think is a very ignorant of the fact that it's really bad.
The state of todays rave's isnt because mdma isn't allowed in them, it never has been allowed! Either way it didn't and still dosn't stop anyone whatsoever doing it. Raves are worse now coz of commercialisation.
Overdosing and generally any bad experiance is not a factor if you know what your doing, those things only happen to careless people.
This is a really badly articulated post of mine at the moment because my mind isn't stimulated enough at the moment, i'll get back to it later :P
Edit: The only positive thing about legalisation is the fact that it could be quality controlled, but that still wouldn't take away how bad it is. These days alot of people can get hold of MDMA crystals which is pure anyway.
Wanting it to be legal is like pretending it's not unhealthy, and that is just rediculous.
As for medical benefits, you should try to look for the discovery that was made a while ago of the effect of MDMA on parkinsons disease, quite a ground breaking discovery.
Well said. I think you summed up my view on this subject with your first paragraph.
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 16:11:12
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Safer and taxable. They are the only benefits that I can see.
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 18:39:42
1. Way less impure if you can regulate it.
2. Not fueling a criminal market if not in the hands of criminals.
3. MDMA is safer than drugs pharmaceutical companies can push without any legal ramifications.
4. Legalization would take away from the war on drugs, which only has the effect of creating a permanent underclass kept in place by jail and joblessness because people don't want to hire felons.
5. MDMA doesn't ****ing cause holes in your brain, or even reduced bloodblow for any extended period of time, regardless of the ******** people spout.
6. When legitimate medical advice for harm reduction is availible, less deaths/injuries from risks like hyperthermia, dehydration, or water poisoning.
7. Psychotherapeutic uses of MDMA can be as common as they need to be. Considering how useful MDMA therapy can be for people with PTSD, this would be hugely helpful.
8. Legitimate business gets a new source of income. Potentially helpful for small businesses to gain a greater hold of the pharmaceutical industry, working towards ending that particularly scary oligopoly.
(Oh, and so you know Hard2Get, it isn't really unhealthy. At all. In comparison to booze and cigs, it's practically aspirin. Not to say it doesn't have risks, but they're mostly associated with being dumb with it.)
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 19:30:09
just coz its not as bad as other drugs doesnt mean it should be legalised.
Plus think how much shit the government is gonna cop for legalizing it, and not legalizing other drugs like marijuana? Everyone has a case for a drug they like.
Also, there have been heavily documented cases of death through the media on overdoses of MDMA - rather people not knowing what they're doing and being stupid - so its never going to be legalized.
Apart from that its not really going to benefit society at all - so why bother?
Raves wont be as dangerous? woopee pretty sure the government would be happier without them anyway. Theres seriously not an argument supporting it.
Im not anti-drug i take mdma on occasions im just being realistic.
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 19:34:00
Well just a tid bit of info here... back when MDMA was legal, it was used in clinics. It was being introduced to the medical world as a small by product (basicly just saying, it was being legalized in fine print, and wasn't a big thing then) to a drug that was being introduced to help stop bleeding. MDMA has been proven to help people with post traumatic stress disorder, and help people who attend counceling. It allows them to open up and break down the barriers in their life.
Needless to say. It does have it's medical purposes, mostly unknown, and no I don't see it being legalized nearly anytime soon. But it's a report for English, so no worries. =P
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 21:21:48
I don't think ecstasy will ever be legal, so why bother?
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 21:27:37
The only place it should be legalized is in depression clinics, given in control doses. Thats it! If you legalized MDMA for the public, it would not be pretty. More accidents, more overdoses, more deaths, more teen pregnancies, a higher rise in STDs, a decline in students getting a full high school education.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 21:52:21
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Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
(Oh, and so you know Hard2Get, it isn't really unhealthy. At all. In comparison to booze and cigs, it's practically aspirin. Not to say it doesn't have risks, but they're mostly associated with being dumb with it.)
People don't do it nearly as much that's why :P I definately agree with the second point. I would say there is no risk in using pure MDMA, for anyone who has common sense.
Incase you think i'm against MDMA usage, i'm not, i do it myself.
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georgeisabamf
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 21:54:33
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I don't think ecstasy will ever be legal, so why bother?
It's for an english project, I'm not going up against congress here. God damn. Why the **** not? I mean it's a topic I want to talk about, I'm not actually trying to make it happen.
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 22:39:41
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The only place it should be legalized is in depression clinics, given in control doses. Thats it! If you legalized MDMA for the public, it would not be pretty. More accidents, more overdoses, more deaths, more teen pregnancies, a higher rise in STDs, a decline in students getting a full high school education.
Not alot differnt to the effects of alcohol then lol Even though you can't really OD on drink, that itself can have long term damage- in the long term! Same with smoking, if MDMA was legal it will be off the black market and that takes a small bit out if the drugs trade, why would people go to seedy people to buy something that isn't as pure as in the shops even though it isn't cheaper or isn't taxted? I myself would rather buy it over the counter any day than go to some back street to buy it, and if ciggs and drink was illegal it will also be on the black market, look what happened in the States during prohibition!
The chances of it happening are very slim though, but I would rather see that legal than cocaine any day!
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 23:23:15
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Originally posted by georgeisabamf:
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Originally posted by Jay-Owen:
I don't think ecstasy will ever be legal, so why bother?
It's for an english project, I'm not going up against congress here. God damn. Why the **** not? I mean it's a topic I want to talk about, I'm not actually trying to make it happen.
Woah, calm down. I'm just not for the bother. Besides, I'm totally anti ecstasy and all drugs.
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 00:10:43
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Well just a tid bit of info here... back when MDMA was legal, it was used in clinics.
So was opium, see what that shit does?
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 02:26:25
i wrote something similar for a science class before. i had to choose an obscure scientist and write 8 pages.
alexander/sasha shulgin. the might-as-well-be discover of mdma. and from what i read, it was originally discovered while trying to make an appetite suppressant, not trying to stop bleeding.
i suggest search that name on google, you might find some positive points for your arguement.
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