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jenks
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 Posted - 2008/01/24 : 13:24:28
It's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, take from that what you will. If you're for those two being legal then you're going to have a hard time arguing for MDMA to stay banned. Legalized it would be cheaper, safer and a boost to the economy. I mean let's face it, no one ever has trouble finding ecstasy, at least in pill form with funk knows what it it, personally I would rather people actually be educated on its effects and get their stuff from a regulated source rather than it's use remaining taboo and people buying any old crap and not knowing their arse hole from their ear hole about it.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2008/01/24 : 14:19:05
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Originally posted by jenks:
It's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, take from that what you will. If you're for those two being legal then you're going to have a hard time arguing for MDMA to stay banned. Legalized it would be cheaper, safer and a boost to the economy. I mean let's face it, no one ever has trouble finding ecstasy, at least in pill form with funk knows what it it, personally I would rather people actually be educated on its effects and get their stuff from a regulated source rather than it's use remaining taboo and people buying any old crap and not knowing their arse hole from their ear hole about it.
Problem is you'd get a load of idiots who go "oh my god, E is legal now, it must be safe". And then quadruple drop a few times and OD. You can say "but people would be educated" but there will always be uneducated people regardless and they may well be stupid enough to think because it's legal they can rinse it.
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2008/01/24 : 20:03:43
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
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Originally posted by jenks:
It's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, take from that what you will. If you're for those two being legal then you're going to have a hard time arguing for MDMA to stay banned. Legalized it would be cheaper, safer and a boost to the economy. I mean let's face it, no one ever has trouble finding ecstasy, at least in pill form with funk knows what it it, personally I would rather people actually be educated on its effects and get their stuff from a regulated source rather than it's use remaining taboo and people buying any old crap and not knowing their arse hole from their ear hole about it.
Problem is you'd get a load of idiots who go "oh my god, E is legal now, it must be safe". And then quadruple drop a few times and OD. You can say "but people would be educated" but there will always be uneducated people regardless and they may well be stupid enough to think because it's legal they can rinse it.
Stupid people think because it's fun and one won't kill them they can rinse it. Legality has little to do with it.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2008/01/24 : 21:59:40
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Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
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Originally posted by jenks:
It's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, take from that what you will. If you're for those two being legal then you're going to have a hard time arguing for MDMA to stay banned. Legalized it would be cheaper, safer and a boost to the economy. I mean let's face it, no one ever has trouble finding ecstasy, at least in pill form with funk knows what it it, personally I would rather people actually be educated on its effects and get their stuff from a regulated source rather than it's use remaining taboo and people buying any old crap and not knowing their arse hole from their ear hole about it.
Problem is you'd get a load of idiots who go "oh my god, E is legal now, it must be safe". And then quadruple drop a few times and OD. You can say "but people would be educated" but there will always be uneducated people regardless and they may well be stupid enough to think because it's legal they can rinse it.
Stupid people think because it's fun and one won't kill them they can rinse it. Legality has little to do with it.
You misunderstood, Bulby is definately correct :P
It's why anything remotely dangerous has to be banned, coz a few people with no common sense ruin it for everyone else.
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jenks
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Posted - 2008/01/25 : 11:22:55
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
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Originally posted by jenks:
It's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, take from that what you will. If you're for those two being legal then you're going to have a hard time arguing for MDMA to stay banned. Legalized it would be cheaper, safer and a boost to the economy. I mean let's face it, no one ever has trouble finding ecstasy, at least in pill form with funk knows what it it, personally I would rather people actually be educated on its effects and get their stuff from a regulated source rather than it's use remaining taboo and people buying any old crap and not knowing their arse hole from their ear hole about it.
Problem is you'd get a load of idiots who go "oh my god, E is legal now, it must be safe". And then quadruple drop a few times and OD. You can say "but people would be educated" but there will always be uneducated people regardless and they may well be stupid enough to think because it's legal they can rinse it.
Stupid people think because it's fun and one won't kill them they can rinse it. Legality has little to do with it.
You misunderstood, Bulby is definately correct :P
It's why anything remotely dangerous has to be banned, coz a few people with no common sense ruin it for everyone else.
So alcohol should go too?
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2008/01/25 : 11:24:56
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
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Originally posted by jenks:
It's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, take from that what you will. If you're for those two being legal then you're going to have a hard time arguing for MDMA to stay banned. Legalized it would be cheaper, safer and a boost to the economy. I mean let's face it, no one ever has trouble finding ecstasy, at least in pill form with funk knows what it it, personally I would rather people actually be educated on its effects and get their stuff from a regulated source rather than it's use remaining taboo and people buying any old crap and not knowing their arse hole from their ear hole about it.
Problem is you'd get a load of idiots who go "oh my god, E is legal now, it must be safe". And then quadruple drop a few times and OD. You can say "but people would be educated" but there will always be uneducated people regardless and they may well be stupid enough to think because it's legal they can rinse it.
Stupid people think because it's fun and one won't kill them they can rinse it. Legality has little to do with it.
You misunderstood, Bulby is definately correct :P
It's why anything remotely dangerous has to be banned, coz a few people with no common sense ruin it for everyone else.
So alcohol should go too?
You may have understood; i wasn't saying that anything remotely dangerous should be banned, i was saying that it is.
Incase you didn't misunderstand, then alcohol is a well established drug, and people are wise of it's effects. So if people choose to go over the top on that it's more a case of blatant stupidity than anything. It's nothing to do with alcohol itself. You can't accidently do too much without being a retard, to be blunt. But in the case of MDMA etc that would not be the case, there would be a great deal of people not educated on it's effects.
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Posted - 2008/01/25 : 11:34:18
Also it takes a lot less to OD on ecstacy that it does on alcohol.
Alcohol is dangerous in the way that it has long-lasting detrimental effects to your health.
In saying THAT though, at our final assembly at school our headmaster told us that we were the first year gone through that school in 10 years that hasnt had a drink driving-related death.
Guess how many over that 10 years died of ecstacy driving-related deaths??
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2008/01/25 : 11:40:13
Personally I think a lot of people really over do it on alcohol as a result of them thinking it's OK as the government says so. They all here the warnings etc. etc. etc. But... There is no end of people who say "I'd never touch drugs" and go out and drink 8 pints and half a bottle of vodka a night. They think it's OK and that they will be all right 'cus it's legal and everyone does it.
Do I think it should be banned as well? No. It's part of our culture and we are a long way off it ever happening (although | think it will be banned eventually). I just don't think it is a good idea to introduce more, potentially dangerous, substances to the legal market.
It's fine the way it is. It's easy enough to get hold of, people can make their own decisions about doing it and be it on their back if they **** up. Sure, I don't want to be arrested for possessing the stuff myself but I think, looking at the big picture, it's the best thing for society.
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Chris B
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Posted - 2008/01/25 : 12:11:53
Cheap pills are shite.
A friend of mine passed away last year and many other people no somebody that has, £1 a pill is obviously a lot of shit.
If making it legal would cut out the shit and increase quality im for it personally. Plus all the money funding mad organisations in northern ireland and round the world cant be doing any good.
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