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georgeisabamf
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 Posted - 2008/01/23 : 02:58:56
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by georgeisabamf:
Well just a tid bit of info here... back when MDMA was legal, it was used in clinics.
So was opium, see what that shit does?
The point was is that MDMA does have medical values. Yeah it has bad effects (side effects). So does EVERY medication.
Cocaine was a drug used widely a while back. Dangerous drugs that can still be used for recreational purposes are still on the market today.
If we got rid of MDMA and we got rid of all these other drugs because people started using them recreationaly and "innapropriately" then we should take zoloft, xanax, vico., darvocet, oxy, and many other prescription drugs off the market as well.
Granted MDMA does have bad effects. I'm not saying it should be able to bought at a gas station or a GMC, nor do I even think it should be prescribed.
But in a clinic where therapy is taking place, mdma can very much help a person with their problems.
Don't believe it can? Research it.
I DON'T do drugs. I haven't touched pot, alcohol, ANYTHING for the past 7 months of my life. I am clean as can be. But I still do find the medical and positive purposes of now "illicit" drugs to be interesting.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 05:00:27
ketamine and heroin both have psoitive medical effects with side effects...
Theyre probably not going to be legal and theyre both pain killers/anaesthetics
why would MDMA be any different? The PURPOSE of MDMA is a recreational drug. It wasnt designed for anything else.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 11:12:23
Ketamine is not a hard drug like the ones mentioned, also, it was legal to possess here untill a while ago.
As for obscure, i wouldn't exactly call Alexander Shulgin obscure :P Anyone who knows anything about drugs knows who he is :P
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novaboy
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 11:17:52
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(Oh, and so you know Hard2Get, it isn't really unhealthy. At all. In comparison to booze and cigs, it's practically aspirin. Not to say it doesn't have risks, but they're mostly associated with being dumb with it.)
Incase you think i'm against MDMA usage, i'm not, i do it myself.
oh you mad **** haha :P
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novaboy
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 11:19:15
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Ketamine is not a hard drug like the ones mentioned, also, it was legal to possess here untill a while ago.
As for obscure, i wouldn't exactly call Alexander Shulgin obscure :P Anyone who knows anything about drugs knows who he is :P
lol i know some one who got screwed over by ketamine
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 11:24:08
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Ketamine is not a hard drug like the ones mentioned, also, it was legal to possess here untill a while ago.
As for obscure, i wouldn't exactly call Alexander Shulgin obscure :P Anyone who knows anything about drugs knows who he is :P
who cares if its not a hard drug? it has lots of side effects.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 14:34:25
For me it has none, which is why i like it so much :P It's physically a very safe drug. K-Holing dosn't class as being dangerous :P
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 15:04:18
personal experience i guess then.
Coz ive seen people go into k-holes and do VERY stupid things and get VERY hurt.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 15:12:36
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personal experience i guess then.
Coz ive seen people go into k-holes and do VERY stupid things and get VERY hurt.
Yeah it is dangerous in that sense, hence i said physically. Although that does come down to common sense really :P
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 15:46:46
What is a K-hole like? I have had weird pills once that sounded like Ket, I saw alot of werid colours (in the dark) and didn't feel 'all there' it was a lot differn't from the feeling you usualy get on E!
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Serenity
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 16:06:28
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For me it has none, which is why i like it so much :P It's physically a very safe drug. K-Holing dosn't class as being dangerous :P
It is VERY dangerous. Ketamine depresses your central nervous system and slows down your breathing/heart rate, so much that it can cause you to black out or die from lack of oxygen. I've seen quite a few people turn grey/blue while taking it in addition to completely losing their minds, and in some cases had to be sent to the hospital. There is no *safe* drug, they all have side-effects, some are just less risky than others.
As for MDMA, the only benefit I can see is turning it into a pharmaceutical thats highly regulated, so that more studies can be done with its effectiveness on treating PTSD and other severe psychological disorders.
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 16:18:22
I really don't think they should legalise Mandy :p. Bad idea.
Ketamine is an odd one. I didn't like it at first because I done a fairly standard size line (as you would for coke, Mandy etc.) and it knocked me the **** out. I find it the nicest drug to take now though. Just take little snuffles through the night and it gives me a good buzz with absolutely no comedown the next day, it's as if you did nothing at all.
It is bad for your insides in large amounts though (I'm talking lots). Rots certain organs etc. There is also loads of people round my way who are massively addicted to it, I'm talking 10-20 grams a week! That's not the one. Ruins people. Just got to stay on top of it same with anything that gets you ****ed really.
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2008/01/23 : 23:43:03
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Ketamine is not a hard drug like the ones mentioned, also, it was legal to possess here untill a while ago.
As for obscure, i wouldn't exactly call Alexander Shulgin obscure :P Anyone who knows anything about drugs knows who he is :P
my science prof was 50+ years old and had never heard of him before. and as a comparison, when other people are doing essays on albert einstein, then yeah, shulgin is obscure. if you do chemical drugs and know anything about their history, then you may have run across his name once or twice. he hasn't exactly won the nobel peace prize if you know what i mean.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2008/01/24 : 09:22:55
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Originally posted by Serenity:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
For me it has none, which is why i like it so much :P It's physically a very safe drug. K-Holing dosn't class as being dangerous :P
It is VERY dangerous. Ketamine depresses your central nervous system and slows down your breathing/heart rate, so much that it can cause you to black out or die from lack of oxygen. I've seen quite a few people turn grey/blue while taking it in addition to completely losing their minds, and in some cases had to be sent to the hospital. There is no *safe* drug, they all have side-effects, some are just less risky than others.
Again, this is just down to common sense, it doesn't happen to anyone with a brain and i don't know of it happening to the many people i know that have done it :P
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I find it the nicest drug to take now though. Just take little snuffles through the night and it gives me a good buzz with absolutely no comedown the next day, it's as if you did nothing at all.
That's what I'm talking about! That's what i really like about it; there is less after effects than drinking or smoking weed, literally none at all.
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If you take too much paracetamol you will die, if you take too much asparin you will die. It's just common sense isn't it? Why does everyone forget that when talking about illegal drugs?
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Posted - 2008/01/24 : 09:47:30
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