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anonymous
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 Posted - 2008/11/19 : 12:55:55
when people say you should layer basslines to make them sound nicer do you mean just playing the same riff from the same vst a few octaves apart? or do you mean making the same riff on a few different vsts so each one is a little different and then layer them together?
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Fluffbomb
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Posted - 2008/11/19 : 13:23:40
Normally different synths/samples. Simplest example is a sine for the sub with a more harmonically rich synth for the upper bass.
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2008/11/19 : 14:29:09
Basslines always need to be layered.
You are mainly looking to acheive thickness, thickness is acheived by the amount of frequencies richly covered.
Usually producers use 3 layers, i think some may use 4 and maybe theres even some who use 2, but i'm thinking 3 is pretty common..
Well my idea of it and the way i construct my basslines is i usually have a rich low end subby sine layer, filling the lower warm frequencies, (70-100hz) and some times higher aswell, and i usually cut 40 hz off this cos i think it's mud and theres no need for anything under 40 hz to be in the bass tbh..
The other ones are usually for filling everywhere else frequency wise and fitting togehter well to produce a decently thick bass..
You're going to have to cut bits of eq and make dips in certain areas of frequency with the bass too anyway.
It depends on how people make basses, i think it's very personal, but i usually make mine as above..
And obviously i process it and add fx, i added phasers without movement, seems to make it thicker, compression, distortion, all of that stuff..
Hope it helpzz
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2008/11/19 : 14:30:41
Yeah, you will want two different sounds that work well together.
Sub layer - Make/find a nice sub bass to give you the deep rumble. I seem to get better results programming these myself but there are samples out there that will work fine.
Mid Layer - Find a nice sound that is heavy in the low mid - mid frequencies. You will probably want to be playing this an octave higher to get the right sound.
Run a high pass filter on the mid layer. Play both basses together and sweep the bass of until the mid layer stops interfering with the sub layer. You may need to run a low pass filter on the sub bass as well depending on what sort of sound you're using.
Most people distort the crap out of their mid layer but you don't have to do this if it's not the sound you're after!
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/11/19 : 14:30:51
They don't "have" to be layered. I rarely layer basslines.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2008/11/19 : 14:38:52
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
They don't "have" to be layered. I rarely layer basslines.
Agreed. I do tend to layer most of my hardcore ones though. Some Freeform, Hard Style and other bits I've done I only used a single synth for and they sound fine. Trust your ears more than you trust what you read on the internet. ;)
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2008/11/19 : 14:53:54
Well i suppose you don't need to layer if you have really good synthesis skills.
I don't. So i use usually 2-3 layers. Not saying you're bad if you cant make a thick bass with 1 layer.. Just saying i find it simpler and more straight forward and somewhat easier if i have control over the frequency spectrum with 2 to 3 layers.
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djbuzz1021
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Posted - 2008/11/19 : 15:55:29
I like how people are falling into this trap of following the croud, Tbh you dont need to layer a bass you can always work on it with Eq. Compression and more and get a nice sound out it, Just remember There is no set way to make music, thats the whole point of it, be diffrent be creative, dont conform to the standard that says you need to layer your bass, With a bit of work on them you can have a single bass sounding crip and deep :)
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Shades
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Posted - 2008/11/19 : 16:48:42
i've only been able to make a good bass by layering so i'm keeping outa this one lol
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Underloop
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Posted - 2008/11/19 : 19:17:34
Depends on the sound you are trying to create - a decent sub with a breakbeat can work wonders!
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Trimms
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Posted - 2008/11/19 : 20:16:47
Do whatever you want.
Following a musical template means you'll be destined for failure. No one ever taught me, and I just went with it. Layering can make a bassline, but other times it'll be too thick. It's up to you. I personally use a real bass for the low frequencies and a thick synth for the "upper" range. I put upper in quotes because there really isn't a high part to the bassline, but I digress, when I layer I like to have the real bass, the synth to keep things flowing, and then a punchy pow that is usually low to kick things up a notch and keep the bassline noticeable but not in the way of any melodies or vocals.
That is what I do personally. Just pick something you like and go with it.
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anonymous
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Posted - 2008/11/20 : 12:47:55
I agree completely with what everyone is sayin about not 'followin the rules'. i think hardcores become really formulaic and samey is one of the main reasons i want to start makin my own music. but im quite new to this and it is good to learn lots of different techniques i think.
anyway when makin the sub bass line do you tend to use a single sine wave or use a few occilators for a better sound?
and thanks for all the help guys its really useful for me!
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2008/11/20 : 14:58:24
quote:
Originally posted by anonymous:
I agree completely with what everyone is sayin about not 'followin the rules'. i think hardcores become really formulaic and samey is one of the main reasons i want to start makin my own music. but im quite new to this and it is good to learn lots of different techniques i think.
anyway when makin the sub bass line do you tend to use a single sine wave or use a few occilators for a better sound?
and thanks for all the help guys its really useful for me!
I usually combine them, maybe a small number of them, until i get a relatively thick exposure of low end then i cut 40 hz off and i actually boost in areas needed if any..
But that's just me and it probably isn't the right way to do things (lol) but works for me.
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