raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2008/12/06 : 18:58:15
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
this just goes to show as always the press aint got a clue about what their writing about.
he is remarkably well informed for someone that doesnt have a clue. I cant believe your not american. havnt you heard of taking the piss?
and umm, its clearly a rave.
It is NOT a rave.
To best describe it, it is most like a concert. It's lame none the less.
And i found that quite an interesting read. Even though this guy is probably well educated, he is unable to explain the simple pleasure that teenage girls/chavs (stereotypical i know) get from clubland. And unless he's been through it, this i a pretty biased 'examination' as he puts it. But **** yeah, get rid of the clubland live tour, its disgusting.
define 'rave'
you will find the english definition of 'rave' is exactly what the clubland tour is.
if the clubland tour is a 'concert', then what is every big uk hardcore event? as the clubland tour is pretty much the same as any big hardcore event
well i dont like new hardcore & no raves that iv ever been to have been like have been described in that article as whittle1 said But if you attend both events you will find more differences than similarities.
Wilky Banned
United Kingdom
6,198 posts Joined: Mar, 2008
Posted - 2008/12/06 : 19:34:46
quote:Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
this just goes to show as always the press aint got a clue about what their writing about.
he is remarkably well informed for someone that doesnt have a clue. I cant believe your not american. havnt you heard of taking the piss?
and umm, its clearly a rave.
It is NOT a rave.
To best describe it, it is most like a concert. It's lame none the less.
And i found that quite an interesting read. Even though this guy is probably well educated, he is unable to explain the simple pleasure that teenage girls/chavs (stereotypical i know) get from clubland. And unless he's been through it, this i a pretty biased 'examination' as he puts it. But **** yeah, get rid of the clubland live tour, its disgusting.
define 'rave'
you will find the english definition of 'rave' is exactly what the clubland tour is.
if the clubland tour is a 'concert', then what is every big uk hardcore event? as the clubland tour is pretty much the same as any big hardcore event
well i dont like new hardcore & no raves that iv ever been to have been like have been described in that article as whittle1 said
But if you attend both events you will find more differences than similarities.
sense_of_hardcore New Member
United Kingdom
46 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2008/12/06 : 19:52:05
Interesting article but like Whispering pointed out, the bit where it says if you are over 21 it is highly unlikely you'll have heard of Kelly Llorenna, Darren Styles is quite funny, considering these acts have made music for 13 years, Llorenna even had great success with N-Trance who had a few big commercial hits in the mid-90s.
Indeed the Clubland scene is not seen as something to promote by the general music media as they think of it as music for 'kids from council houses'. Despite this the Clubland scene is still popular. I remember when Scooter's latest album went to No 1 in the music album charts and knocked out Madonna and that caught a lot of people by surprise considering Scooter have had very little media exposure in the UK.
Jay-Owen Advanced Member
Belgium
1,437 posts Joined: Aug, 2006
Posted - 2008/12/06 : 22:39:05
I dunno, he seems to know the layer of 'popcore' that everyone knows about, but not the real underground hardcore that we listen to. I'm sure he doesn't even know the names Sy, Hixxy, Vinylgroover or Billy Daniel Bunter. Also, I didn't see even a mention for Prodigy in there, the most famous 'hardcore' group ever (well, they were hardcore to start with, at least =P)
Chris B Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,964 posts Joined: Dec, 2003
Posted - 2008/12/07 : 03:27:56
quote:Originally posted by The Doc:
this bit was also really funny! (I like the word "former" being used)
"There is Darren Styles, a former happy hardcore producer who finds himself, at 34, a slightly baffled teeny pin-up, purveying music that, on the basis of his Clubland live set, oftensounds not unlike a Coldplay piano ballad sung in an Essex accent and inexplicably retooled with thumping 160bpm beats"
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raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2008/12/07 : 05:00:19
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
quote:Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
quote:Originally posted by whittle1:
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
this just goes to show as always the press aint got a clue about what their writing about.
he is remarkably well informed for someone that doesnt have a clue. I cant believe your not american. havnt you heard of taking the piss?
and umm, its clearly a rave.
It is NOT a rave.
To best describe it, it is most like a concert. It's lame none the less.
And i found that quite an interesting read. Even though this guy is probably well educated, he is unable to explain the simple pleasure that teenage girls/chavs (stereotypical i know) get from clubland. And unless he's been through it, this i a pretty biased 'examination' as he puts it. But **** yeah, get rid of the clubland live tour, its disgusting.
define 'rave'
you will find the english definition of 'rave' is exactly what the clubland tour is.
if the clubland tour is a 'concert', then what is every big uk hardcore event? as the clubland tour is pretty much the same as any big hardcore event
well i dont like new hardcore & no raves that iv ever been to have been like have been described in that article as whittle1 said
But if you attend both events you will find more differences than similarities.
Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2008/12/07 : 06:47:09
quote:Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
well i dont like new hardcore & no raves that iv ever been to have been like have been described in that article as whittle1 said
remeber that the author is taking the piss out of raves. while he is going over the top, he is still fairly close to the mark. try and look at it from the point of view of someone who doesnt go to raves and you should be able to understand.
quote:Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
i beg to differ.
haha. just found that funny.
beg away.
Interesting about the 21 comment. while older people might have heard of him, a 21 year old at a Sydney all age rave (75% of the happy hard raves in sydney) would feel somewhat like a dirty old man. past the age of 21 people wonder what your doin at raves, expect you to go to electro festivals or stick to clubbing or whatever
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nearly in line....
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pinkdevil16 Senior Member
United Kingdom
496 posts Joined: Jul, 2008
Posted - 2008/12/07 : 10:31:06
quote:Originally posted by Jay-Owen:
I dunno, he seems to know the layer of 'popcore' that everyone knows about, but not the real underground hardcore that we listen to. I'm sure he doesn't even know the names Sy, Hixxy, Vinylgroover or Billy Daniel Bunter. Also, I didn't see even a mention for Prodigy in there, the most famous 'hardcore' group ever (well, they were hardcore to start with, at least =P)
Yeah i think this article is all about popcore reli as he doesnt mentoin any proper underground hardcore artists
whittle1 Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,191 posts Joined: Jan, 2005
25 hardcore releases
Posted - 2008/12/07 : 14:36:41
Its a matter of debate tbh.
I went to HTID 29 last night, and i tell you i was actually thinking about this topic (sad) but i'm starting to sway slightly towards agreeing with Wilkey now.
raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2008/12/07 : 14:41:07
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
well i dont like new hardcore & no raves that iv ever been to have been like have been described in that article as whittle1 said
remeber that the author is taking the piss out of raves. while he is going over the top, he is still fairly close to the mark. try and look at it from the point of view of someone who doesnt go to raves and you should be able to understand.
quote:Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
i beg to differ.
haha. just found that funny.
beg away.
Interesting about the 21 comment. while older people might have heard of him, a 21 year old at a Sydney all age rave (75% of the happy hard raves in sydney) would feel somewhat like a dirty old man. past the age of 21 people wonder what your doin at raves, expect you to go to electro festivals or stick to clubbing or whatever
in away i can see where ya coming from, but as im never in the hardcore arena at raves its different for me i guess. i do however totally agree with what you said about the 21 year old comment thats a load of crap what the author said init.
Alert moderatorEdited by - raindancerob on 2008/12/07 14:42:13
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,504 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2008/12/07 : 17:57:00
At least Clubland arn't coming down south... Not one mentian of the scene s routes in the lates 80s which it seems that evryone forgot that the youth of then were taking these evil drugs and dancing all night to werid (yet would soo be good) music in the middle of knowhere.
Clubland is not real Hardcore or rave music, it is club music & I myself have grown out of it. Also saying anyone under the age of dosn't know who Ultrabeat is is being silly as Ultrabeat where big back in 2003 with Pretty Green Eyes (no mention of the original)
Does Scotland have the 'Scouse House' scene as I have seenyoutube videos of 'Neds' at raves or clubs like 'Fuber' listening to Donk.
I like the old Scottish stuff when it was real Hardcore... (New mixes coming in January with real Happy Hardcore & Bouncy Techno)
In fact im making my own Bouncy Techno tune! It will be better than silly old Clubland...
raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2008/12/07 : 18:08:24
you'v got it in one there matey & i cant wait to hear your tune when its finished :o)
Alert moderatorEdited by - raindancerob on 2008/12/07 18:09:36
Wilky Banned
United Kingdom
6,198 posts Joined: Mar, 2008
Posted - 2008/12/07 : 18:14:45
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
At least Clubland arn't coming down south... Not one mentian of the scene s routes in the lates 80s which it seems that evryone forgot that the youth of then were taking these evil drugs and dancing all night to werid (yet would soo be good) music in the middle of knowhere.
Clubland is not real Hardcore or rave music, it is club music & I myself have grown out of it. Also saying anyone under the age of dosn't know who Ultrabeat is is being silly as Ultrabeat where big back in 2003 with Pretty Green Eyes (no mention of the original)
Does Scotland have the 'Scouse House' scene as I have seenyoutube videos of 'Neds' at raves or clubs like 'Fuber' listening to Donk.
I like the old Scottish stuff when it was real Hardcore... (New mixes coming in January with real Happy Hardcore & Bouncy Techno)
In fact im making my own Bouncy Techno tune! It will be better than silly old Clubland...
define real rave or real hardcore. Dont 4get its almost 2009
Jackol Senior Member
United States
443 posts Joined: Nov, 2008
Posted - 2008/12/07 : 18:53:15
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
At least Clubland arn't coming down south... Not one mentian of the scene s routes in the lates 80s which it seems that evryone forgot that the youth of then were taking these evil drugs and dancing all night to werid (yet would soo be good) music in the middle of knowhere.
Clubland is not real Hardcore or rave music, it is club music & I myself have grown out of it. Also saying anyone under the age of dosn't know who Ultrabeat is is being silly as Ultrabeat where big back in 2003 with Pretty Green Eyes (no mention of the original)
Does Scotland have the 'Scouse House' scene as I have seenyoutube videos of 'Neds' at raves or clubs like 'Fuber' listening to Donk.
I like the old Scottish stuff when it was real Hardcore... (New mixes coming in January with real Happy Hardcore & Bouncy Techno)
In fact im making my own Bouncy Techno tune! It will be better than silly old Clubland...
define real rave or real hardcore. Dont 4get its almost 2009
im just gettin in to the rave scene now, been listening to the music for years though.
i have to say i enjoy myself, but the raves tend to lean towards house or trance.
can't wait for etd.LOVE though, Scott Brown & Luna-C are gonna be there!!! :D
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