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TypeR
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 Posted - 2008/12/13 : 12:44:16
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If your mantra is once a thief always a thief then why bother to point out someones shortcomings other than to make yourself feel good about it?
ask the tens of thousands of people that use this site the same exact question. i'm not any different than them in this view.
do you think that compulsion put that kid on blast on his website for any other reason than to make himself feel good?
trust me, i don't need this website one bit to make myself feel any better. i don't actually need it at all.
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raindancerob
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 13:36:31
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Originally posted by __CMC__:
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Originally posted by raindancerob:
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
Well put.
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Might be just me but i think it's extremely arrogant and immature to illegal download this album then hang shit on Hixxy like that..
not takin hits at you, just my view..
agreed you cant slag an artist off if you havent paid for any of their releases.
thats retarded if it shite it going to be shite if you pay or not
fyi i download ever ablum i want prior to buying it, if it worth my cash i'll buy it if not i delete them all honest:P
to be fair tho most people dont, they download so they dont have to pay for it.
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 14:27:57
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Originally posted by TypeR:
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Originally posted by Underloop:
If your mantra is once a thief always a thief then why bother to point out someones shortcomings other than to make yourself feel good about it?
do you think that compulsion put that kid on blast on his website for any other reason than to make himself feel good?
How was Compulsion trying to make him self look good? He was shaming a guy who was ripping them off by filesharing their tracks which they all spent alot of hard work and time on.. I think it's very fair of what Compulsion and Jimmy goat and the other CLSM crew did.. Like, i wouldnt want my labels tracks to be fileshared, i think what CLSM is doing is a great idea and they have every right to shame them for doing something very illegal and sneaky which is killing labels profits to a large extent.
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Underloop
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 15:45:51
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Originally posted by TypeR:
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Originally posted by Underloop:
If your mantra is once a thief always a thief then why bother to point out someones shortcomings other than to make yourself feel good about it?
ask the tens of thousands of people that use this site the same exact question. i'm not any different than them in this view.
do you think that compulsion put that kid on blast on his website for any other reason than to make himself feel good?
trust me, i don't need this website one bit to make myself feel any better. i don't actually need it at all.
No, I think he got a blasting to make him stop and think and hopefully change his ways - him and others like him. Shock tactics!
I just think your statement about stealing one song and you're always a thief is a bit of a sweeping generalisation. And don't get me wrong, I am in no way advocating filesharing.
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Trimms
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 15:51:00
CLSM came.
CLSM conquered.
And this thread just pooped.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 16:24:00
TypeR (Bobby Ritalin) is from Seattle huh? well i got some bad news for you. According to US law, you are a thief. All DJs in the US are. According to copyright laws, any time a person plays a song that was not produced by the same person in a public area for the sole purpose of profit, that person playing the song is expected to pay royalties. It's like a radio station. they pay royalties (or should pay royalties) to the label which that song comes from.
now granted, I think it's kind of a dumb law, but people aren't aware of its existence because no one can really imagine prosecuting all these DJs from clubs and whatnot for such a crime. but just because they don't prosecute people for it doesn't mean the law doesn't exist. so think on that note.
btw buying vinyl falls into the same category of playing a cassette, cd, or mp3 in public.
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Underloop
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 17:04:12
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
TypeR (Bobby Ritalin) is from Seattle huh? well i got some bad news for you. According to US law, you are a thief. All DJs in the US are. According to copyright laws, any time a person plays a song that was not produced by the same person in a public area for the sole purpose of profit, that person playing the song is expected to pay royalties. It's like a radio station. they pay royalties (or should pay royalties) to the label which that song comes from.
now granted, I think it's kind of a dumb law, but people aren't aware of its existence because no one can really imagine prosecuting all these DJs from clubs and whatnot for such a crime. but just because they don't prosecute people for it doesn't mean the law doesn't exist. so think on that note.
btw buying vinyl falls into the same category of playing a cassette, cd, or mp3 in public.
Are the clubs not licenced?
In the UK there are various licences granted - PPL and the MCPS/PRS dish them out. It would be Soundexchange in the States right? Gives the club the right to play music and the DJ rides on the back of that. In the UK there is also a licence for digital DJs which allows them to store their library on a hard drive to play out.
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raindancerob
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 17:12:33
to be fair most events aint MCPS licensed, nor are tape packs only some (not all) Dreamscape packs are.
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 17:15:10
yea i do believe that most of them are licensed. but there are some that aren't. but i'm not sure whether guest djs or djs touring the nation fall under that category. but events such as raves i know are probably not licensed. but also thinking further on it, if the majority of the music that is being played comes from another country, does it still count?
All i know is that if you are playing for profit, then it is against the law if no royalties are being payed or you don't have a license to play it, or permission from that label or artist, whichever has sole rights to those songs.
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 18:29:07
Bobby... the whole "oooh im so scared im shaking" comment looks absolutely childish in my view and saying that about someone's past is just backward thinking and just not necessary. Im not trying to slag you off as a person, im actually trying to help you. Just calm down before you look like an ass man... I know your not...
The first two paragraphs were pointed towards Kid Vicious and the mindless E-tarts that invade the site so please dont get it mixed up.
And comeon... **** me??? I've busted my ass in the past trying to promote YOUR events bro... And now **** me?! Cuz I said your acting like a dick? Not to get personal but grow some balls man, you wanna be childish and throw threats out like your banning me from Seattle then thats your problem. If someone is acting like an idiot ill still point it out, i dont care who it is, im not mad nor am I trying to acting like the "forum police", just my personal opinions that I am free to say.
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TypeR
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 23:53:38
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
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Originally posted by TypeR:
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Originally posted by Underloop:
If your mantra is once a thief always a thief then why bother to point out someones shortcomings other than to make yourself feel good about it?
do you think that compulsion put that kid on blast on his website for any other reason than to make himself feel good?
How was Compulsion trying to make him self look good? He was shaming a guy who was ripping them off by filesharing their tracks which they all spent alot of hard work and time on.. I think it's very fair of what Compulsion and Jimmy goat and the other CLSM crew did.. Like, i wouldnt want my labels tracks to be fileshared, i think what CLSM is doing is a great idea and they have every right to shame them for doing something very illegal and sneaky which is killing labels profits to a large extent.
look at what i said, i didn't say "look" good, i said "feel" good. once the guy has stolen from clsm they don't have a lot of recourse other than to make the guy look bad, that is unless they choose to sue him.
to latinxtc: i receive promos at times from producers that give me granted permission to use their material for promotional use only. other than that i've spent over a couple thousand dollars on records and mp3s over the past decade, i do believe that i'd be given some sort of reprimand over this time if i were breaking the laws, so i'm sure the clubs are licensed.
the point i was trying to make about stealing the album to latinxtc was not meant as a put down, i was only trying to point out that one cannot justify their taking of it, yet condemn someone else for doing it all in one fail swoop. that's contradiction.
the point i was making to you nexus is that as a moderator, you shouldn't talk out of both sides of your mouth. you cannot commend compulsion for trying to teach someone a lesson on file sharing, yet condemn me for doing the same thing. what it looks like is that it's ok for him to do it simply because he's part of clsm and a big producer in the hardcore scene, and i'm just a nobody so it's not ok for me to have the same opinion.
i'll give a bit of history to as to why i feel this way.
when i first started using this site i spoke to silver frequently and formed a online friendship of sorts. after a bit of time i became a moderator on this site. he taught me the ethics of not approving of filesharing of any type at any time, no matter what. he also asked that i do my best to promote this site in a favorable way. after a while my wife kicked me out and i was on my own due to this music that we know and love and promoting events and uk headlining talent and helped to put my town on the hardcore map. well that made me a bit bitter. also i couldn't devote as much time to the site and i began to notice that everyone was just kissing eachothers asses all day and doing nothing but give each other props on a job well done even though what they were posting was utter shit. i was sick of that go nowhere stance and saw that i didn't fit that mold so i left the site. well, now it's a few weeks from 2009 and nothing has really changed. people still kiss each others asses all day long even though what they are posting is fcukin garbage and i still hate file sharing.
i don't buy any mix cds from online shops for a few reasons.
a. they aren't marketed to the united states so they are way to expensive for me to afford.
b. most of them are mass marketed for a scene that doesn't resemble the scene in the united states.
c. only some of the music is something that i would pay for.
d. i seriously would rather just buy records than a mix cd pack.
thing is, i don't steal them either. if i can't afford them, then i don't have them. the last compilation that i've owned was the first hardcore nation, and that was a gift from robbie long because he listed me in the "thanks section"
that's why i don't have a studio either, simply because i won't fileshare to get the software to get it. i have in the past and it was wrong and i won't do it again because i felt guilty the entire time. you can't promote anti-fileshare yet steal all of your software, that's not right.
sorry for the long winded post, but i just wanted to clear the air on some stuff since i'm not trying to stir shit or cause fights, i just believe that what's just for one person, should be just for all.
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Edited by - TypeR on 2008/12/13 23:58:28 |
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Posted - 2008/12/13 : 23:57:21
yeah gotta argee with you on that one iv always preferred to own vinyl then mix cds :o)
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 00:27:35
I just ate a bagel. It was really good.
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 00:42:04
wtf random lol
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Posted - 2008/12/14 : 00:47:45
that's called +1'ing your post count and being counterproductive in an active topic due to lack of anything better to do lol
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