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Meathead
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 Posted - 2009/03/17 : 10:34:09
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
The one style I would say is not covered by freeform is dutch hardcore. I think they would get very offended if we tried to label their music freeform. A gabber track by a traditionally freeform hardcore producer could be classed as freeform though.
I agree with pretty much everything you said there pal but, how do you work that one out?
It wouldnt be them making a track thats free of form just because they always make Freeform, it would be a Freeform artist making a Gabber track. Same if a typically Gabber artist made a UK Hardcore tune, it wouldnt be Freeform it would be UK Hardcore (Happy - whatever you wanna call it)
it's like dj kurt, he's made a number of "gabber" songs including straight from the underground & ruffride provider.
it's not gabber. it's uk hardcore.
Its not its Gabber! Well i dunno about Ruff Ride Provider that sounds a bit more like some sort of Bouncy Gabber spin off type thing......
**** sake all this sub-categorizing is really pissing me off now lol
Lilley i see what youre saying pal, i dont know if you meant it all as literal as i took it or whatever, but sod it im out of this debate now. Its reet pecking my head
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 10:48:28
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by lozowen:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
The one style I would say is not covered by freeform is dutch hardcore. I think they would get very offended if we tried to label their music freeform. A gabber track by a traditionally freeform hardcore producer could be classed as freeform though.
I agree with pretty much everything you said there pal but, how do you work that one out?
It wouldnt be them making a track thats free of form just because they always make Freeform, it would be a Freeform artist making a Gabber track. Same if a typically Gabber artist made a UK Hardcore tune, it wouldnt be Freeform it would be UK Hardcore (Happy - whatever you wanna call it)
it's like dj kurt, he's made a number of "gabber" songs including straight from the underground & ruffride provider.
it's not gabber. it's uk hardcore.
Its not its Gabber!
blatently uk hardcore
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 10:55:39
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it's like dj kurt, he's made a number of "gabber" songs including straight from the underground & ruffride provider.
you have just contradicted yourself, if he made a trance track would that make it uk hardcore? i think not....
anyhow this thread is about freeform & it's definition, why do threads always go off at a tangent lol
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 11:39:59
it doesnt help that people are saying daft things like
"no boundrys, free to do what you want"
yeah great, thats the definition of the word "freeform" when it comes to the music though - Freeform is well defined and has been for years. freeform might have once meant "no boundrys, free to do what you want" but it really doesnt anymore, freeform is a style of hardcore thats clearly defined by 80% of the music on sharkeys/kev energy's mixes lol
if you produce a song that is outside of the boundrys of what freeform is - it is no longer freeform...it could become happy hardcore...or gabber...or drum n bass
Hardscape = "no boundrys, free to do what you want"
but even this hardscape thing still has boundry's - speed boundrys, stylistic boundrys else everything is hardscape no matter what...
Freeform = well according to most of this thread...Freeform Hardcore has:
(more) acid/303 sequences,
hoover like synths,
melancholic but uplifting melodies...or none at all
can or cant have vocals
use of gabber-like kick drums - and not
sweeping synths
a darker more techno driven but not gabber form of hardcore
like what defines most from each other it comes down to Speed, Instruments, scales used..
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 13:21:24
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Originally posted by lozowen:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by lozowen:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
The one style I would say is not covered by freeform is dutch hardcore. I think they would get very offended if we tried to label their music freeform. A gabber track by a traditionally freeform hardcore producer could be classed as freeform though.
I agree with pretty much everything you said there pal but, how do you work that one out?
It wouldnt be them making a track thats free of form just because they always make Freeform, it would be a Freeform artist making a Gabber track. Same if a typically Gabber artist made a UK Hardcore tune, it wouldnt be Freeform it would be UK Hardcore (Happy - whatever you wanna call it)
it's like dj kurt, he's made a number of "gabber" songs including straight from the underground & ruffride provider.
it's not gabber. it's uk hardcore.
Its not its Gabber!
blatently uk hardcore
I get the feeling you may be being sarcastic, if not your a moron 
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 13:49:35
ITT: Almost everyone having an incredibly difficult time defining freeform. 
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 13:54:35
i found it quite easy :)
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 14:14:53
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by lozowen:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by lozowen:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Lilley:
The one style I would say is not covered by freeform is dutch hardcore. I think they would get very offended if we tried to label their music freeform. A gabber track by a traditionally freeform hardcore producer could be classed as freeform though.
I agree with pretty much everything you said there pal but, how do you work that one out?
It wouldnt be them making a track thats free of form just because they always make Freeform, it would be a Freeform artist making a Gabber track. Same if a typically Gabber artist made a UK Hardcore tune, it wouldnt be Freeform it would be UK Hardcore (Happy - whatever you wanna call it)
it's like dj kurt, he's made a number of "gabber" songs including straight from the underground & ruffride provider.
it's not gabber. it's uk hardcore.
Its not its Gabber!
blatently uk hardcore
I get the feeling you may be being sarcastic, if not your a moron
well obviously it is gabber, but take straight from the underground for example, the kick is more like one from a typical uk hardcore track than it is similar to that of a dutch hardcore track. plus the melody & lead are both like what you'd expect from a uk hardcore track. it's just uk hardcore dressed up as gabber imo.
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 14:17:10
I tried searching it on Wikipedia couldn't find any info.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 14:29:05
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Originally posted by lozowen:
well obviously it is gabber, but take straight from the underground for example, the kick is more like one from a typical uk hardcore track than it is similar to that of a dutch hardcore track. plus the melody & lead are both like what you'd expect from a uk hardcore track. it's just uk hardcore dressed up as gabber imo.
I wouldnt say the kick, melody or lead are very similar to a UK Hardcore track at all tbh. You still being sarcastic? Or have we now crossed over completely to moronic?
Take the melody and kick from Darren Styles - Save Me and compare them to Straight From The Underground. Theyre quite different mate.
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 14:54:22
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Originally posted by lozowen:
well obviously it is gabber, but take straight from the underground for example, the kick is more like one from a typical uk hardcore track than it is similar to that of a dutch hardcore track. plus the melody & lead are both like what you'd expect from a uk hardcore track. it's just uk hardcore dressed up as gabber imo.
I wouldnt say the kick, melody or lead are very similar to a UK Hardcore track at all tbh. You still being sarcastic? Or have we now crossed over completely to moronic?
Take the melody and kick from Darren Styles - Save Me and compare them to Straight From The Underground. Theyre quite different mate.
they're alot more like a uk hardcore track than they are too a dutch hardcore track
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 15:39:18
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Originally posted by lozowen:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by lozowen:
well obviously it is gabber, but take straight from the underground for example, the kick is more like one from a typical uk hardcore track than it is similar to that of a dutch hardcore track. plus the melody & lead are both like what you'd expect from a uk hardcore track. it's just uk hardcore dressed up as gabber imo.
I wouldnt say the kick, melody or lead are very similar to a UK Hardcore track at all tbh. You still being sarcastic? Or have we now crossed over completely to moronic?
Take the melody and kick from Darren Styles - Save Me and compare them to Straight From The Underground. Theyre quite different mate.
they're alot more like a uk hardcore track than they are too a dutch hardcore track
How?
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Posted - 2009/03/18 : 07:16:10
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i found it quite easy :)
same.
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