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acidfluxxbass
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 Posted - 2009/05/27 : 13:19:32
So heres my question that I've been pondering recently:
To what extent is there a growing divide between what is known as "Underground" hardcore and "Commercial" hardcore, and how do we define each?
Any opinions or ideas?
It's clear that there is some form of divide, since we get different sided views on different albums and songs. There is undoubtedly a common disliking on AATW and Darren Styles amongst many users on here, whilst many others, mainly newer members like AATW but dislike the underground stuff..
Is there becoming some sort of divide between the two groups? Theres seems to be a certain black and white divide with not much inbetween.
This year has been tainted by the comparison between 'Hardcore Underground 3' which is sold online and less in the shops, and 'Bonkers - The Original Hardcore' from AATW sold in shops and online and commercialised heavily.
So whats your opinion on this? Is there a massive divide between underground and commercial?
Look forward to your opinions.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 13:25:44
its not massive, but i would say there is a divide...i wouldnt worry too much about it, its been there for years and years and years
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 13:30:58
So with bonkers now in AATW's hands and evidently becoming more commercial, you dont think there is growing divide?
In my opinion, i feel there is and its even possible to classify atrists under each catagory. eg. darwin: underground, breeze: commercial
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 13:47:05
growing? nah, no more than there has been for years
theres even less influx of new members posting on this site - as in, usually when a bonkers is released we have a whole host of new people posting...this time there doesnt seem to be anyone new...
years and years ago i said somthing like "we'll know hardcore has truely gone commercial when they finally do a "Hardcore Euphoria" that was about a year before they actually did it ;)
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hah here it is
http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=19047&SearchTerms=euphoria&whichpage=1
a few weeks later i posted a joke euphoria cover and tracklist for fun
http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=20283&SearchTerms=euphoria
when i get home i'll reupload the covers just for the hell of it ;)
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 14:07:19
There is a divide but there is definitely a grey area. I prefer Underground stuff but i can quite gladly listen to some commercial stuff. A few cheesy commercial tunes in a set isnt too bad a whole set / CD etc with nothing but commercial stuff is just awful. A lot of my preference to the underground stuff is variety. There isnt much of that in the commercial scene so id prefer underground. However throw some commercial tunes into a predominantly underground set / cd and youre onto a winner.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 14:48:10
I don't think the divide has got any bigger recently.
I like Commercial and Underground stuff. I do prefer mixes to be varied though, especially on albums. Pretty much the same as Meathead really.
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Dogsy
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 15:50:25
Much prefer the underground stuff. Cds like HU3 are wicked full of different styles were as the more commercial stuff can get a bit repetative for me. Saying that though some of the commercial stuff I quite like, some I love-just not all of it. I notice some artists make both 'underground' and 'commercial' stuff. Like Gammer. He makes vocal anthems with Dougal or on his own. Or team up up with Marc smith for something more pumping and underground. Al storm's mixed HU3 and got some material on the last CLXH cd.
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 15:57:50
so is hardcore becoming more popular? or not? i thought it was..
i see all these people with 'htid' in their names on posted all over their bebo page or whatever, and that strikes me as commercial. then i see supporters of the underground stuff who have a general prejudice against clubland and mainstream stuff and i see them as more underground.
i always thought of bonkers as the grey area. it mixed commercial and underground. one cd had some freeform whilst another had gabber and another had hixxy stuff which was more commercial, but there doesnt seem to be that grey zone as much anymore..
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SPOOX
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 16:26:22
I'm listening to the newer stuff less & less nowadays. Just far to commercial. Too many male vocals too. I much prefer the more underground sound of the lesser known DJ's / Producers. I would say that there definitely is a divide but i don't think it's really got any bigger. The newer Hardcore is growing more popular though with teenage kids who have previously listened to the Clubland crap who have just discovered Hardcore. At least round my way it has.
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redwingz
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 16:28:07
Im pretty much like Meathead and Bulby, I love the underground stuff, but I will happily pound ‘Amigos’ or some other cheesy track through my speakers too. There is always a divide between underground and commercial in any genre. The underground people are scared that commercialisation will ruin the true roots of the music whilst the commercial people aren’t always aware of the underground and find it too raw for their tastes. The best way to be is to know about both and not be ignorant. There are different sides to hardcore and unless you have heard the different sides you cannot say which is best. People who are just into the underground more tend to be very defensive and scared of change and people who are just into commercial tend to be oblivious to the underground and naïve in that they don’t think the underground guys are talented cause they haven’t made it commercially.
I say, enjoy both, or just enjoy what you enjoy! Its all Music
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Fishy
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 16:46:35
Its like that in almost every music genre
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Mortis
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 17:09:05
Have to agree with Meathead, Bulby & Spoox.
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 17:19:08
people from towns/cities buy clubland cds
people from villages buy more serficticated style hardcore
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Kosmic
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 17:29:52
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
people from towns/cities buy clubland cds
people from villages buy more serficticated style hardcore
LIES!
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Citrick
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 17:30:43
Being relatively new to this site I can definitely say I can see a major divide between "Underground" and "commercial" hardcore. I've always liked both really and never really knew that there was such a divide until I starting posting here. It was all hardcore to me before but now I'm hearing lots of different opinions and I feel myself classing new tracks I hear as either underground or commercial.
I don't know if it's always been like this but to me it almost seems like to different genres at this stage with the way people talk about it and with the whole new AATW hardcore thing we're experiencing I can only see the divide getting bigger.
Myself, I'm a neutral. Although I drew the line at Breeze's mix on CXH 5. That was pretty much Clubland 14 at 170 bpm 
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dantheman
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 17:45:48
Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy"
HTID is not commercial. It is just a brand name created by Hixxy for an album and his events.
HTID events are massively popular for a reason: He books awesome lineups and its not just hardcore he also books Gabber, Hardstyle, DnB and Oldskool.
The way I see it it's more "mainstream" vs "experimental".
There is nothing "commercial" about hardcore at all. People blame AATW way too much. They do have SOME influence on Bonkers/Clubland but not as much as you people think. The artists still have quite a bit of creative control.
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