Revs Advanced Member
Austria
2,584 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2009/06/13 : 00:50:47
quote:Originally posted by Entity:
Kickdrums + breakbeats =
Tunes with both in used to be ten a penny...If you look around you'll still find the odd track but there aren't that many.
Definitely agree about mixing between breaks into kicks or vice-versa - if you've got the right two tracks the results can be amazing! Try and get hold of an old mix by Ian H called 'Breaking point'. The transition from Scott Brown - 'Rock you softly' remix into CLSM - 'Roof on fire' shows just how good it can be (IMO of course ).
Thing is, I don't think there are many breakbeat tracks that can keep their head above water when played next to a kickdrum track. As good as they are (and I LOVE my breaks) a lot of them just don't seem to keep the energy. 'Roof on fire' is the strongest track I can think of, and Darwin - 'Takes you back' is another strong track which still has small 4/4 sections in it to keep things moving along nicely and keep everyone happy. Neither of which should cause any problems if dropped into a set full of kickdrums!
I personally would love it if prominent breakbeats came back in 4/4 tunes. Some producers have brought back the big kicks (woo!) into their productions and it would be nice if tunes with both kicks and breakbeats made a return. Not holding my breath though, and I really can't see the top tier doing this.
Indeed, I was just practising and testing tunes for my live show this sunday (www.reflexradio.com, 8:00-9:00 PM GMT+1), and it's just damn wicked ! Every second tune I will mix will be a Breakbeat Track ! I need more Breakbeat.
Yeah, the power/energy is lost because Drum & Bass/Breakbeat isn't really about 180 BPM, actually it's only the half ! It's 90 BPM. And it seems much slower. Compare Breakbeat and Freeform. Freeform will seem to be faster to you, but it's the same speed (or half speed) and you can mix both into each other !
In Breakbeat you don't do Beatcounting, but Hi-Hat counting, or Snare couting (depends), each Snare/Hi-Hat is at ~90 BPM.
One of these producers could actually be YOU !
Hey, I have a wicked track I made of this type, it's a piano track and I'm sure you'd like it ! It's pretty oldskool stylish, but still kept the NuSkool Style, like some of Darwins tracks! Maybe you wanna help me, or we can finish it together ? There's an absolutely wicked piano riff I've made, just gotta put it somewhere in the track now, but yeah..!
The track is a 4-Beat track but I wanted to put some breakbeats (Maybe you've seen the Breakbeat Topic I made a while back, that's why!).
acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,000 posts Joined: Apr, 2008
Posted - 2009/06/13 : 01:19:34
quote:Originally posted by DJ Revs:
quote:Originally posted by Entity:
Kickdrums + breakbeats =
Tunes with both in used to be ten a penny...If you look around you'll still find the odd track but there aren't that many.
Definitely agree about mixing between breaks into kicks or vice-versa - if you've got the right two tracks the results can be amazing! Try and get hold of an old mix by Ian H called 'Breaking point'. The transition from Scott Brown - 'Rock you softly' remix into CLSM - 'Roof on fire' shows just how good it can be (IMO of course ).
Thing is, I don't think there are many breakbeat tracks that can keep their head above water when played next to a kickdrum track. As good as they are (and I LOVE my breaks) a lot of them just don't seem to keep the energy. 'Roof on fire' is the strongest track I can think of, and Darwin - 'Takes you back' is another strong track which still has small 4/4 sections in it to keep things moving along nicely and keep everyone happy. Neither of which should cause any problems if dropped into a set full of kickdrums!
I personally would love it if prominent breakbeats came back in 4/4 tunes. Some producers have brought back the big kicks (woo!) into their productions and it would be nice if tunes with both kicks and breakbeats made a return. Not holding my breath though, and I really can't see the top tier doing this.
Indeed, I was just practising and testing tunes for my live show this sunday (www.reflexradio.com, 8:00-9:00 PM GMT+1), and it's just damn wicked ! Every second tune I will mix will be a Breakbeat Track ! I need more Breakbeat.
Yeah, the power/energy is lost because Drum & Bass/Breakbeat isn't really about 180 BPM, actually it's only the half ! It's 90 BPM. And it seems much slower. Compare Breakbeat and Freeform. Freeform will seem to be faster to you, but it's the same speed (or half speed) and you can mix both into each other !
In Breakbeat you don't do Beatcounting, but Hi-Hat counting, or Snare couting (depends), each Snare/Hi-Hat is at ~90 BPM.
One of these producers could actually be YOU !
Hey, I have a wicked track I made of this type, it's a piano track and I'm sure you'd like it ! It's pretty oldskool stylish, but still kept the NuSkool Style, like some of Darwins tracks! Maybe you wanna help me, or we can finish it together ? There's an absolutely wicked piano riff I've made, just gotta put it somewhere in the track now, but yeah..!
The track is a 4-Beat track but I wanted to put some breakbeats (Maybe you've seen the Breakbeat Topic I made a while back, that's why!).
record a mix, I wanna hear one :]
and send this song, I'm curious to hear it =P
I kinda see what you mean about the slowed down tempo.. as in the tempo is slower to fit more into a loop?
Entity Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,329 posts Joined: Jul, 2003
Posted - 2009/06/13 : 09:11:23
quote:Originally posted by DJ Revs:
quote:Originally posted by Entity:
Kickdrums + breakbeats =
Tunes with both in used to be ten a penny...If you look around you'll still find the odd track but there aren't that many.
Definitely agree about mixing between breaks into kicks or vice-versa - if you've got the right two tracks the results can be amazing! Try and get hold of an old mix by Ian H called 'Breaking point'. The transition from Scott Brown - 'Rock you softly' remix into CLSM - 'Roof on fire' shows just how good it can be (IMO of course ).
Thing is, I don't think there are many breakbeat tracks that can keep their head above water when played next to a kickdrum track. As good as they are (and I LOVE my breaks) a lot of them just don't seem to keep the energy. 'Roof on fire' is the strongest track I can think of, and Darwin - 'Takes you back' is another strong track which still has small 4/4 sections in it to keep things moving along nicely and keep everyone happy. Neither of which should cause any problems if dropped into a set full of kickdrums!
I personally would love it if prominent breakbeats came back in 4/4 tunes. Some producers have brought back the big kicks (woo!) into their productions and it would be nice if tunes with both kicks and breakbeats made a return. Not holding my breath though, and I really can't see the top tier doing this.
Indeed, I was just practising and testing tunes for my live show this sunday (www.reflexradio.com, 8:00-9:00 PM GMT+1), and it's just damn wicked ! Every second tune I will mix will be a Breakbeat Track ! I need more Breakbeat.
Yeah, the power/energy is lost because Drum & Bass/Breakbeat isn't really about 180 BPM, actually it's only the half ! It's 90 BPM. And it seems much slower. Compare Breakbeat and Freeform. Freeform will seem to be faster to you, but it's the same speed (or half speed) and you can mix both into each other !
In Breakbeat you don't do Beatcounting, but Hi-Hat counting, or Snare couting (depends), each Snare/Hi-Hat is at ~90 BPM.
One of these producers could actually be YOU !
Hey, I have a wicked track I made of this type, it's a piano track and I'm sure you'd like it ! It's pretty oldskool stylish, but still kept the NuSkool Style, like some of Darwins tracks! Maybe you wanna help me, or we can finish it together ? There's an absolutely wicked piano riff I've made, just gotta put it somewhere in the track now, but yeah..!
The track is a 4-Beat track but I wanted to put some breakbeats (Maybe you've seen the Breakbeat Topic I made a while back, that's why!).
Please upload!
I've already done a couple of tracks with an amen running alongside the kicks.
I've got an old one 'Cataclysm' which you should find if you search on imodownload. 'Never let me go' also has an amen - it's not quite as prominent, but it's still there! http://www.rfurecordingz.co.uk/clips/NeverLetMeGo.mp3
If I remember rightly, Cris.E.Manic's 'Composition B' has breaks and kicks together - it's also a seriously good tune - jump on the raw elements website, it should be there.
*edit* Also just remembered - look online for CLSM & Seduction 'Dancing the night away' (CLSM remix) - it's amazing.
Not sure I agree about this 90/180 bpm thing- they're still the same speed...I guess depending on the breaks used it CAN feel like a slower track (or faster!). What I'm trying to say about the energy is that with kicks you know what's going on, they've got loads of energy and you can have a good old stomp - but throw a breaks track into the middle of the set and everything goes out the window! It seems to totally confuse some people haha! Hard to explain, but I know what I mean .
Like I said previously, if you've got the right two tracks going then it shouldn't matter :)
Revs Advanced Member
Austria
2,584 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2009/06/13 : 10:22:22
Alright, I'll try to find all the files and PM you the links !
Thanks, I'm gonna check out all these songs, I might play them tomorrow, live, since I need this kind of stuff !
Yeah I see what you mean, very true. But have you heard Reese's Fall 2K8 Studio Mix ? It's amazing, and really full of energy. In UKH it's the beats which make the energy, in Breakbeat Hardcore such as tracks from Reese it's more the bassline, I think! The mix is seriously epic, starts relaxing, but yeah, you gotta check it out, if you never heard it, here's the link : http://www.hulla.info/board/showthread.php?t=26107 (Enjoy!)
But I have a feeling that Breakbeat and 4-Beat at the same time is 'bouncier'! Don't you think so?
acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,000 posts Joined: Apr, 2008
Posted - 2009/06/13 : 12:16:05
quote:Originally posted by DJ Revs:
But I have a feeling that Breakbeat and 4-Beat at the same time is 'bouncier'! Don't you think so?
Ohh no. I feel break beat flows more since its very mucha constant loop. Get the right 4/4 kick, bass and melody arrangemt and you have bouncy though :D
Analog Dreams Junior Member
Belarus
84 posts Joined: Sep, 2007
Posted - 2009/06/13 : 21:25:52
Yeah, I totally agree with you, man. I wish they would bring back the breakbeats ontop of the 4 beat. If you like that kind of style with alot of variety, check out dj luna c!
Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
4,217 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/13 : 21:54:18
quote:Originally posted by Entity:
quote:Originally posted by DJ Revs:
quote:Originally posted by Entity:
Kickdrums + breakbeats =
Tunes with both in used to be ten a penny...If you look around you'll still find the odd track but there aren't that many.
Definitely agree about mixing between breaks into kicks or vice-versa - if you've got the right two tracks the results can be amazing! Try and get hold of an old mix by Ian H called 'Breaking point'. The transition from Scott Brown - 'Rock you softly' remix into CLSM - 'Roof on fire' shows just how good it can be (IMO of course ).
Thing is, I don't think there are many breakbeat tracks that can keep their head above water when played next to a kickdrum track. As good as they are (and I LOVE my breaks) a lot of them just don't seem to keep the energy. 'Roof on fire' is the strongest track I can think of, and Darwin - 'Takes you back' is another strong track which still has small 4/4 sections in it to keep things moving along nicely and keep everyone happy. Neither of which should cause any problems if dropped into a set full of kickdrums!
I personally would love it if prominent breakbeats came back in 4/4 tunes. Some producers have brought back the big kicks (woo!) into their productions and it would be nice if tunes with both kicks and breakbeats made a return. Not holding my breath though, and I really can't see the top tier doing this.
Indeed, I was just practising and testing tunes for my live show this sunday (www.reflexradio.com, 8:00-9:00 PM GMT+1), and it's just damn wicked ! Every second tune I will mix will be a Breakbeat Track ! I need more Breakbeat.
Yeah, the power/energy is lost because Drum & Bass/Breakbeat isn't really about 180 BPM, actually it's only the half ! It's 90 BPM. And it seems much slower. Compare Breakbeat and Freeform. Freeform will seem to be faster to you, but it's the same speed (or half speed) and you can mix both into each other !
In Breakbeat you don't do Beatcounting, but Hi-Hat counting, or Snare couting (depends), each Snare/Hi-Hat is at ~90 BPM.
One of these producers could actually be YOU !
Hey, I have a wicked track I made of this type, it's a piano track and I'm sure you'd like it ! It's pretty oldskool stylish, but still kept the NuSkool Style, like some of Darwins tracks! Maybe you wanna help me, or we can finish it together ? There's an absolutely wicked piano riff I've made, just gotta put it somewhere in the track now, but yeah..!
The track is a 4-Beat track but I wanted to put some breakbeats (Maybe you've seen the Breakbeat Topic I made a while back, that's why!).
Please upload!
I've already done a couple of tracks with an amen running alongside the kicks.
I've got an old one 'Cataclysm' which you should find if you search on imodownload. 'Never let me go' also has an amen - it's not quite as prominent, but it's still there! http://www.rfurecordingz.co.uk/clips/NeverLetMeGo.mp3
**** me that's good!
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Entity Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,329 posts Joined: Jul, 2003
Posted - 2009/06/14 : 02:13:13
quote:Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Yeah I see what you mean, very true. But have you heard Reese's Fall 2K8 Studio Mix ? It's amazing, and really full of energy
Reese is indeed the man when it comes to breaks. Reese, CLSM, Cube::Hard, Darwin & Hattrixx are the main players as far as I'm concerned. I saw Darwin play a breaks set last month and it was awesome. I've also heard from numerous people that his breaks set went down a storm at Freeformation - but can you ever see a breaks set happening at HTID/Uproar etc.?
Still - check this out. It's a clip of Roof on Fire from a CLSM P.A. Unfortunately Youtube's video quality is as good as aids but I've seen a better quality version and there are a LOT of people going apeshit to this!
Revs Advanced Member
Austria
2,584 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2009/06/14 : 11:40:28
Orbit1, JAKAZiD, Bustin and Wizbit did some good Breaks too !
Meh I wish I could go there, looks wicked Over here where I live they only play Drum & Bass and stuff like that.. I could ask if I can make a Breakbeat Set, I think people would like it!
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