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Skidzorz
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Canada
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 Posted - 2009/08/17 : 17:58:08
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I had a somewhat similar question. I bought both HU3, and Relapse, but Hu3 was gonna take a week to get here, and Relapse I pre-ordered. When I bought HU3 I immediately downloaded it, and same with when Relapse leaked. I know technically it's still illegal to download that shit, but morally, who thinks this is wrong? I paid for it, so I really don't tihkn it is, but I just thought I'd see other people's thoughts.
by downloading, you're uploading the same stuff, and sending it to other people.
file-downloading and file-sharing are different. sharing means you're sharing out what you receive. you automatically encourage the whole process.
you're morally wrong, yes.
You can not allow people acess to your folders.
And I guess I was file downloading then.. it was never shared with anybody, and it was deleted the second the comp came in.
ok your uploading was off.. but you are still one more person downloading from someone else among many others who are pleading ignorance or coming up with excuses or reasonings...
why not just wait for it.. makes it more special to listen to the shiny ass side of the disk than a crappy mp3...
Fair enough, not really trying to argue, was just curious and what people thought of this. I will continue to do it however.. if I've paid for something I feel I should be able to listen to it at will. I fail to see how my downloading it perpetuates the person sharing it? The dude had the album uplaoded, he wasn't taking it down, and CDJay/the DJ's didn't lose a dime from ME downloading it, as it was bought and paid for and probably allready on it's way. To each his own though.
why download it? just listen to it on youtube. theres always sum1 who uploads hardcore albums on there.
Didn't really think about doing that for HU3, as it is (now) on youtube, but all the Relapse leaks were being swipped so fast off youtube, plus I got it a couple hours before it was going through irc and boxden and shit
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 18:48:45
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My opinion is that when you buy a choon on vinyl. That is then yours to do what you like with, as long as it doesn't involve making money from copies of it.
If you have copied the vinyl to MP3 or CD, as long as you keep it for yourself, have made no copies to sell then i can't see a problem.
Exactly.
But everyone seems to go to the assumption he's going to give out the copy, and sell it, etc.
As long as he keeps the copy, for himself, only. Then there shouldn't be a problem with it. As long as he doesn't rip it, take the rip, then put it on the internet. If he just rips it to his computer to be able to put it on a CD to play on his CDJ (ONLY), then sell the Vinyl, there should be no problem.
He isn't file sharing. He's selling the original work, Vinyl, to someone else. After he already bought the Vinyl from the original artist. The artist still gets paid, no one is getting the music for free, and he isn't handing out the rip to anyone.
It should be all good. If you ask me. But, don't trust me. I have my own views on everything as whole.
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NeXuS
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 18:50:39
Do you guys actually think just because you're not doing it yourself that you arn't a part of it?
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 19:12:00
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
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Originally posted by SPOOX:
My opinion is that when you buy a choon on vinyl. That is then yours to do what you like with, as long as it doesn't involve making money from copies of it.
If you have copied the vinyl to MP3 or CD, as long as you keep it for yourself, have made no copies to sell then i can't see a problem.
Exactly.
But everyone seems to go to the assumption he's going to give out the copy, and sell it, etc.
As long as he keeps the copy, for himself, only. Then there shouldn't be a problem with it. As long as he doesn't rip it, take the rip, then put it on the internet. If he just rips it to his computer to be able to put it on a CD to play on his CDJ (ONLY), then sell the Vinyl, there should be no problem.
He isn't file sharing. He's selling the original work, Vinyl, to someone else. After he already bought the Vinyl from the original artist. The artist still gets paid, no one is getting the music for free, and he isn't handing out the rip to anyone.
It should be all good. If you ask me. But, don't trust me. I have my own views on everything as whole.
what if he bought the vinyl 2nd hand?
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 19:18:03
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
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Originally posted by SPOOX:
My opinion is that when you buy a choon on vinyl. That is then yours to do what you like with, as long as it doesn't involve making money from copies of it.
If you have copied the vinyl to MP3 or CD, as long as you keep it for yourself, have made no copies to sell then i can't see a problem.
Exactly.
But everyone seems to go to the assumption he's going to give out the copy, and sell it, etc.
As long as he keeps the copy, for himself, only. Then there shouldn't be a problem with it. As long as he doesn't rip it, take the rip, then put it on the internet. If he just rips it to his computer to be able to put it on a CD to play on his CDJ (ONLY), then sell the Vinyl, there should be no problem.
He isn't file sharing. He's selling the original work, Vinyl, to someone else. After he already bought the Vinyl from the original artist. The artist still gets paid, no one is getting the music for free, and he isn't handing out the rip to anyone.
It should be all good. If you ask me. But, don't trust me. I have my own views on everything as whole.
what if he bought the vinyl 2nd hand?
Unless the guy he's purchasing from somehow got a free copy, pirated his own and pressed his own vinyl, or stole the vinyl from a store, the artist still got paid the original full price.
And if he's going to sell the vinyl no one smart would sell it for more or same price as licensed dealers sell. Unless the guy buying is stupid.
That's the way I look at it. Again, I'm crazy. I have my own views on things.
You can see it as file sharing. But I see file sharing as ripping something, not paying for something, then putting it on the internet/giving it away for free.
My say is: Buy from a licensed dealer and sell the vinyl afterwards if you want to. You'd have less guilt so deal with.
Then again. I would never buy a Vinyl to just rip it and sell it. I'd keep it. Simply for back up, and because I bought it. It's mine! I want to keep it.
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eyp_conner_pms
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 20:16:04
Cheers for replying people!
Just thought about it the other day & wanted to know everyones views onit!
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Jackol
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Posted - 2009/08/18 : 01:29:29
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The money you paid for the vinyl goes back to the artists/labels anyway so no i don't think it's wrong.
Well that's the thing. The artist/label is losing one sale. Essentially what happens is the person who ends up with the vinyl is essentially paying the price of one record for two copies, one of which he doesn't have control of.
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frozt
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Posted - 2009/08/18 : 01:40:47
Sorry I thought the OP was saying he was going to sell the rip and keep the vinyl. So my first post is invalid.
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silver
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Japan
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Posted - 2009/08/18 : 03:27:57
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
But everyone seems to go to the assumption he's going to give out the copy, and sell it, etc.
As long as he keeps the copy, for himself, only. Then there shouldn't be a problem with it. As long as he doesn't rip it, take the rip, then put it on the internet. If he just rips it to his computer to be able to put it on a CD to play on his CDJ (ONLY), then sell the Vinyl, there should be no problem.
He isn't file sharing. He's selling the original work, Vinyl, to someone else. After he already bought the Vinyl from the original artist. The artist still gets paid, no one is getting the music for free, and he isn't handing out the rip to anyone.
No this is incorrect, if you buy the vinyl and make a backup copy to CD to play that is fine, but you must keep the vinyl, if you sell the vinyl you no longer own that track and thus dont own the right to own that copy of the song anymore.
Exactly the same way software and games work, you can't buy a game, copy it then sell the original. Owning the vinyl means you own the right to own / play / whatever that track... just not sell it and keep a copy :p
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