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TheOneNOnly
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 Posted - 2009/10/03 : 00:46:52
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Originally posted by Citrick:
It might just be because I'm Irish and we're Catholic crazy here, or at least used to be, but I totally disagree with you all on this.
There's no need for proof, thats not the point of it. God isn't just some guy that wants to be worshiped or the King or whatever and the Bible isn't fact. Finding flaws in the Bible doesn't matter shit to anyone. It's about guidance and help. And my Faith has helped me through alot of things and given me great ease of mind at times and I'm very thankful for it.
Also anyone who has spent even a single day in Africa will know how it is anything but unnecessary and I find it almost offensive that you could say it has no place in society.
if you would like tog o back to what i said, 'no place in modern society' hinting towards MEDCs..
i completely understand that religion has a huge place in LEDCs and countries suffering from crisis etc. but could you not say that the wars and conflicts it has caused in these areas is very close to, if not equal with the wrongdoing that ould be caused by it's departure?
The basis of religion isn't bad, though.
It's the "corruption", if you will, of people who take the bible to a whole new extreme, or take certain things to heart.
"Be kind to thy neighbor", etc (I really don't know my commandments) actually would be nice if followed to heart in MODERN society.
Though, that is not the case.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/10/05 : 09:13:39
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Einstein wrote it hey? Just like the conversation with the lecturer where Einstein proved the existance of God? I'l believe that when I see the riddle with his name copyrighted to it. Anyway, nothing to difficult, much like a sudoku.
There is no proof of this.
And, to me, it didn't prove anything.
Many men, evil, vile, malicious, did it in the NAME OF GOD! Feeling the love of god, and praying, if you will, to a higher being. WHILE destroying lives, and feeling no compassion. Killing many people, in the name of god.
The Knights Templars actions could be considered vile, and many actions brought on by the church could be considered evil against those they attacked based on different beliefs.
Does the Church somehow not coincide in evil because they're doing it for God? Many other people we call evil today in history did the same.
It proved nothing.
Belief, is the just that.
By the way, I'm agnostic.
I don't know whether there is a higher being(s) or not. So, sorry. But, there is no actual proof Einstein was the one who said that, and then my thoughts kind of wrote the rest. I don't wish to start a religious battle, I meant no harm ;P
wow you didnt miss the point at all. 
hmm. clearing up a few misconceptions in this thread, starting with this post.
People's actions have nothing to do with anything. Some say their actions are in the name of God, sure. I have read quite a lot of the bible, and my understanding of it would surpass anyone on here i think. What the bible says and what people do are different things. If someone's actions are contrary to the bible and what God says, it certainly isnt done in the name of God. I can say that in the name of God I killed someone, but this goes against the bibles teaching. So it wasnt actually done in the name of God, but in opposition to God.
"many actions brought on by the church could be considered evil ..."
question: considered evil by who? By some self-righteous personal belief? where does this definition of evil come from? what consitutes evil? I'm not saying I disagree, but I think you have left yourself wide open here.
Considered evil by God by what he laid out in the Bible? Definitely, without a doubt, some of the churches actions could be considered evil. But in a so called multicultural secular society that is accepting of everyone, who is to say something is evil, and where is the criteria? See where I'm going with this?
"Religion has NO place in modern society."
But isn't our society a place where anyone can be accepted and believe in anything they want? Multiculturalism is by definition multicultural - accepting of all cultures. How can we be accepting of all cultures and make statements like this. Muslim culture is embedded in religion, and so if modern society is multicultural, than religion must have a place in modern society by default.
Muslim's want to bring polygamy into society. If we are accepting of their culture, we must embrace this. And what argument could you have against it? You wold be very hard pressed to give a rebuttal that is independant of religion, as christian culture is embedded deeper within our society than you realise or imagine. I could go on...
"I just don't see how you can have such faith in something you can't prove is real?"
hmm, in today's society, it seems we have two definitions of faith.
1. having faith in your partner, or being faithful to your partner
2. irrational belief
We apply the first definition to life in general, and the second to religion. but that is wrong, The faith talked about in the bible is the first definition, with God being one half of the partnership and humanity/church being the other (partnership in the relational sense). This is made quite obvious in various passages and illustrations the bible uses.
Second point. Can you objectively prove to me what you had for dinner last night? No, you cant. There may have been many witnesses, but im still only relying on their word, there is no objective proof. So, what then? Is the word of the witnesses worth anything?
This is a personal challenge to you, and I hope you do it. Pick any major respected university in the world. Find the main or head ancient or just old history professor. Email him/her and ask if a) there is proof that and b) it is beyond any reasonable doubt that Jesus existed. Ask if they would know of anyone in the same field that would deny Jesus' existence. Also ask if there is reasonable evidence that the texts that are used to comprise the new testament of the bible are unfounded and completely falsified, or on the other hand, real letters that were circulated around real churches in real places in the middle of the first century.
And this gem:
Can you prove everything we call science is fact?
You can't, it's all theory. Science, itself, is the basis that we can do something multiple times, and it'll always come out the same, meaning it has to be true. Right? So can you tell me, cold FACT that you can do something over 400 million times in a row, in the same exact conditions each time, that it would ALWAYS come out the same?
umm, yes. One of the conditions of this universe is that its laws are constant. So an experiment governed by the same laws under exactly the same conditions will always have the same result. FACT.
Where you might be able to draw exception is when doing tests on humans, but the experiment is flawed by time. between one repetition and the next, the person's experiences will have changed, and therefore their decision process will have been altered however minutely. But if you could repeat the experiment unlimited times with the situation that the person's previous experience is exactly the same from one test to the next, then yes, the outcome would be the same.
Dont think il touch the rest of the rant. Some I actually agree with to an extent, but generally depicts poor knowledge of scientific process.
So having an opposite opinion then someone else makes me whacked out of my head, and high?
in general, yes
Huh, I wonder how we ever debate things in this world then.
with bombs
The basis of religion isn't bad, though.
Thats an interesting statement, do go on. im serious.
"By kind to thy neighbour"
Also, try "Love your neighbour as yourself". That is the second greatest commandment.
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