Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/10/27 : 22:45:56
quote:Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Prove it's actually God's words, and not what the man interpreted them to be?
Could God All Mighty's words have not been said in puzzlement to word? Where we fought to understand what he meant, translating it into what they thought he could of meant?
You can't predict God's actions, or true meanings. Who is to say he hasn't evolved his state of mind as well? What if something they, his subjects, thought was the meaning, and not really the meaning at all. What if it was a test to see if man was truly ready to understand his ways?
There's to many questions, and not enough answers. That's why it's belief, and what you chose to believe; not something so set in stone that everyone on the planet vows to it.
Because, clearly, that's just not the case.
ahh, sorry. I meant from the perspective of a literal interpretation of the bible. I understand where you are going but. An answer to that from the same perspective would be that God, being God, is a pretty powerful dude and wouldnt let a mere mortal try and interpret what he meant in order to write it, it would be written exactly as God intended. Of course that only applies ot the original greek and hebrew. Then you go into various translations including some done by hippy dreamers that wish they could ignore what the bible actually says and write their own - that is where you start going down the want-to-be-christian-but-really-aren't track.
As for God's state of mind evolving? God is unchangeable and most importantly - NOT HUMAN. Humans evolve, animals evolve, God doesnt. Get me?
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Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/10/27 : 22:57:20
quote:Originally posted by whispering:
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
Ahh, but all scripture is God-breathed - cent remember the reference, but its in there somewhere - google is your friend. ie. he wrote it through his subjects. As for your second point - want to elaborate on that? I can think of many people who take the bible literally. They aren't in gaol.
Yes, but someone else said that. Not god. Will look later, but you should basicly stone people to death for stuff that are legal in todays world. Also that dude who wrote the book, where he tried to live one month exactly by the bible, and he couldnt do it. When he asked from the most fundamentalist church they even said that they dont live exactly by the book.
Depends. The bible says that it is God-breathed, and if its indeed God-breathed then God wrote it - through Paul, as it was. funny how that works
Err, what dude that wrote what book? And which fundamentalist church?
Also understand the difference between the New Testament and Old Testament. The laws that the Israelites lived under in the old testament no longer apply properly to us post New Testament. I don't understand it perfectly so I'm hesitant to go into it, but a result of Jesus dieing and rising again is that all the clean and unclean laws no longer apply, along with most of the laws in exodus, leviticus and Deuteronomy. They no longer apply but should still be used as guidlines. That is how I understand it.
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TheOneNOnly Advanced Member
United States
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Posted - 2009/10/27 : 23:35:22
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
As for God's state of mind evolving? God is unchangeable and most importantly - NOT HUMAN. Humans evolve, animals evolve, God doesnt. Get me?
I guess my question would be.
Why wouldn't he? Why couldn't he? He created it afterall, no?
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RaverOfDarkness New Member
Hungary
57 posts Joined: Dec, 2008
Posted - 2009/10/28 : 02:24:42
I personally don't care if there is a God or not. There are people who are atheists, theists and don'tgivea****ists. If he didn't like the way I lived, then he can do whatever he wants with me when I die. I have conquered the fear of the unknown and it's a load off my back.
A God hating homosexuality is retarded to me. He should worry about things that actually ruin lives or things meant to be used to ruin someone's life. It's not like homosexuality is so large among the world population that it is the leading cause towards human extinction.
Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/10/28 : 08:41:45
quote:Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
As for God's state of mind evolving? God is unchangeable and most importantly - NOT HUMAN. Humans evolve, animals evolve, God doesnt. Get me?
I guess my question would be.
Why wouldn't he? Why couldn't he? He created it afterall, no?
Isn't man made in his image?
Quite simple really, it comes back to the all scripture being God-breathed thing. I'm certain its in there somewhere that God is unchanging. In fact, God himself says it somewhere.
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TheOneNOnly Advanced Member
United States
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Posted - 2009/10/29 : 01:01:20
Like I said wayyy earlier, never really truly read the Bible.
I couldn't tell you exact text, all I know is everything is faith based. Really tired of going over it again and again, it'll just spin in circles forever and ever until "we truly know". Some claim to now, that's their belief. I don't think anyone truly does.
Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/10/30 : 14:30:43
no worries mate, your in the same boat as most people. Was just giving you the bible's view (I hope what i said was correct, cant see any glaring errors) on the points you were raising. Think i said in a previous thread somewhere that I have pretty decent knowledge of the bible and what it says (I like to think so anyway), so just ask if you have any questions.
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