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whispering
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 Posted - 2009/11/11 : 17:20:13
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Originally posted by Torpex:
Are you implying that we are NOT more advanced than the Maya? I've never said we know more than a glimpse or that we're objectively advanced - on the contrary, I think we're still quite pathetic. But comparatively we're miles above the Maya and I think it's extremely foolish to think that their science had more predictive power than our current science has.
If you think 2 elderly being born on different seasons is a huge age difference, then i can see why you would think that. A civilization that lived thousands of years ago and still had a better grasp of astronomy then your average joey? No, i don't really see our technological advances as revolutionary as you do.
Also science doesn't really have anything to do with predictions. They've made many predictions, and a lot of them were true. Their not really predictions to the near future either. I still don't really believe in them, but find them highly interesting. But that wasn't my point. My point was to make a joke about your almost arrogant view of todays society being somehow "technologically advanced" :p
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/11/11 : 20:03:42
The reason people believe all of this is because of multiple sources.
The Mayan calendar had some sort of events happening on specific dates that directly translated into things like WW2. The same goes with the Chinese fortune telling thing that I can't remember. When calculated it came out to predict to many events as well.
And Nostradamos who also predicted the end of the world on the eve of that year too.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Though, I agree with Whispering. The Mayan society WAS advanced. They where YEARS ahead of their time in current standards. They did something majority of the people now-a'-days couldn't do in a year. Give them the task to map out dates and seasons "Give me a calendar from the store" would be the response.
We might be Technologically advanced, sure. Technology, yeah, we have computers, they didn't. Oooh, we're better.
For everything we have, in my opinion, it makes the society less intelligent. Everything you could ever need to do is just a few clicks away! The understanding of how things work, and why, and how a whole system of things would need to be used to solve something is totally irrelevant now. Who needs to know when Google can just give me the answer!
That average level of intelligence in schools these days is shocking. Maybe I'm a little lucky? Because I've always had the want to know how something works, how to change it, and make it do something else. I've always been interested in History, learning from the past, then applying it now (War Tactics 101). And I've always had an interest in technology. I'm a mix of past, present, and future.
You can't say we're "smarter", when the Mayans did extraordinary things with what little resources they had at the time. They didn't know how to melt, mix, and create new material out of three different things. They took what they knew, what they saw, and what they had, and built a society unlike any other in it's time, and future.
For better or worse society has taken a turn of being so dependent on Technology, and not on each other. Not on humans figuring everything out, and taking a problem, complexing it to it's finest bits, then resembling it with the answer. No no, now we type in the problem, and it spits out an answer.
Nothing is as complex as the mind, yet...we seem to just want to stop using it all together, and just let machines calculate things and make the decisions and answers for us. Wouldn't be surprised in however many years people will stop the need for walking, writing, talking, interacting. Let machines do it all for us; it's more efficient then anything a human could do.
Let machines replace us, completely! They're better!
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Posted - 2009/11/11 : 20:28:52
i disagree - the reason people believe it, is because humans are stupid creatures.
multiple unscientific fallable sources, All full of lies and crap - spured on by people just plain making stuff up (about nostrodiddlyhoo etc etc, he never predicted the end of the world on 2012)
http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm
so much fail ..so little time
its all ******** and bores the crap out of me people saying "oh, it could be" "gee wait and see" "ya never know"
the ONLY thing that is for sure in 2012 and 2013, is my prediciton..
me calling people gullible morons.
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Rayovac
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Posted - 2009/11/11 : 21:04:56
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
The reason people believe all of this is because of multiple sources.
The Mayan calendar had some sort of events happening on specific dates that directly translated into things like WW2. The same goes with the Chinese fortune telling thing that I can't remember. When calculated it came out to predict to many events as well.
And Nostradamos who also predicted the end of the world on the eve of that year too.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Though, I agree with Whispering. The Mayan society WAS advanced. They where YEARS ahead of their time in current standards. They did something majority of the people now-a'-days couldn't do in a year. Give them the task to map out dates and seasons "Give me a calendar from the store" would be the response.
We might be Technologically advanced, sure. Technology, yeah, we have computers, they didn't. Oooh, we're better.
For everything we have, in my opinion, it makes the society less intelligent. Everything you could ever need to do is just a few clicks away! The understanding of how things work, and why, and how a whole system of things would need to be used to solve something is totally irrelevant now. Who needs to know when Google can just give me the answer!
That average level of intelligence in schools these days is shocking. Maybe I'm a little lucky? Because I've always had the want to know how something works, how to change it, and make it do something else. I've always been interested in History, learning from the past, then applying it now (War Tactics 101). And I've always had an interest in technology. I'm a mix of past, present, and future.
You can't say we're "smarter", when the Mayans did extraordinary things with what little resources they had at the time. They didn't know how to melt, mix, and create new material out of three different things. They took what they knew, what they saw, and what they had, and built a society unlike any other in it's time, and future.
For better or worse society has taken a turn of being so dependent on Technology, and not on each other. Not on humans figuring everything out, and taking a problem, complexing it to it's finest bits, then resembling it with the answer. No no, now we type in the problem, and it spits out an answer.
Nothing is as complex as the mind, yet...we seem to just want to stop using it all together, and just let machines calculate things and make the decisions and answers for us. Wouldn't be surprised in however many years people will stop the need for walking, writing, talking, interacting. Let machines do it all for us; it's more efficient then anything a human could do.
Let machines replace us, completely! They're better!
I think you're taking it the wrong way. I do agree with you on people being lazy sometimes... but not entirely. In my opinion technology should be allowed to take over to a certain extent. To free us to do other things; to allow us to enjoy those things more often. Also, I'm obviously not just talking about better computers, I'm talking about the whole spectrum... gah, here I go rambling again.
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Posted - 2009/11/11 : 21:22:24
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
i disagree - the reason people believe it, is because humans are stupid creatures.
multiple unscientific fallable sources, All full of lies and crap - spured on by people just plain making stuff up (about nostrodiddlyhoo etc etc, he never predicted the end of the world on 2012)
http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm
so much fail ..so little time
its all ******** and bores the crap out of me people saying "oh, it could be" "gee wait and see" "ya never know"
the ONLY thing that is for sure in 2012 and 2013, is my prediciton..
me calling people gullible morons.
Yay! someone with sence!
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2009/11/11 : 23:14:29
I won't lie, the worry is there about 2012, and Triquatra, those sites you sent me a few months ago did help, but the movie looks so eye-popping that I just have to go see it! I am just reminding myself that it's just a movie, just a script that someone made up based off silly theories that we have been hearing for the past 10-20 years:
1. An Earthqauke breaking off California
2. Yellowstone erupting
3. Ice caps melting
...and they are just connecting them with an ancient calander with hardly no significance to the Maya culture today. I am trying to look at it as like our calander: it just rolls over into the next year. Maybe the "big event" is just a celebration like we do on New Year's Eve. The only Nostradamus "prediction" I have heard that is being associated with 2012 is that a comet will hit the Earth, but I would like to hope that if a comet were hitting us within the next 3 years, it would be visable to the unaided eye and the space centers & military (doesn't have to be the USA) would already be on the case to do some type of prevention.
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Rayovac
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Posted - 2009/11/12 : 00:31:26
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I have heard that is being associated with 2012 is that a comet will hit the Earth, but I would like to hope that if a comet were hitting us within the next 3 years, it would be visable to the unaided eye and the space centers & military (doesn't have to be the USA) would already be on the case to do some type of prevention.
Does it involve landing a shuttle on it and blowing it up with a nuclear bomb? 
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Posted - 2009/11/12 : 00:57:15
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Originally posted by Rayovac:
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
I have heard that is being associated with 2012 is that a comet will hit the Earth, but I would like to hope that if a comet were hitting us within the next 3 years, it would be visable to the unaided eye and the space centers & military (doesn't have to be the USA) would already be on the case to do some type of prevention.
Does it involve landing a shuttle on it and blowing it up with a nuclear bomb?
Whatever works! I tend to visualize the Futurama scenario with the giant trash ball.
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Posted - 2009/11/12 : 01:07:53
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
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Originally posted by Rayovac:
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
I have heard that is being associated with 2012 is that a comet will hit the Earth, but I would like to hope that if a comet were hitting us within the next 3 years, it would be visable to the unaided eye and the space centers & military (doesn't have to be the USA) would already be on the case to do some type of prevention.
Does it involve landing a shuttle on it and blowing it up with a nuclear bomb?
Whatever works! I tend to visualize the Futurama scenario with the giant trash ball.
1. Build massive space base.
2. Bring asteroid of doom in.
3. Harvest everything out of it.
4. ???
5. Major profit.
I'd say bring it into Earth, but to put it simply, physics is a bitch.
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Posted - 2009/11/12 : 01:26:32
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Originally posted by Rayovac:
I'd say bring it into Earth, but to put it simply, physics is a bitch.
Heck yes it is! I am taking a combination of Physical Science, Physics, & Chemistry all combined into 1 class called Intergrated Science!
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2009/11/12 : 01:47:22
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
just a script that someone made up based off silly theories that we have been hearing for the past 10-20 years:
1. An Earthqauke breaking off California
2. Yellowstone erupting
3. Ice caps melting
Ice caps melting aren't a theory.
Yellowstone is sitting on a large super volcano.
California is DEAD on a fault line; it splitting would be no surprise to anyone that knows Geography. That things been building up tension for a long time, and it's bound to slip. It will cause major damage, that's for damn sure.
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Posted - 2009/11/12 : 02:31:49
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
just a script that someone made up based off silly theories that we have been hearing for the past 10-20 years:
1. An Earthqauke breaking off California
2. Yellowstone erupting
3. Ice caps melting
Ice caps melting aren't a theory.
Yellowstone is sitting on a large super volcano.
California is DEAD on a fault line; it splitting would be no surprise to anyone that knows Geography. That things been building up tension for a long time, and it's bound to slip. It will cause major damage, that's for damn sure.
You know what I meant. We know those three things are possibilities, but we don't know when it's going to happen or if it ever will (besides the ice caps melting).
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Torpex
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Posted - 2009/11/12 : 06:05:31
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Originally posted by whispering:
If you think 2 elderly being born on different seasons is a huge age difference, then i can see why you would think that. A civilization that lived thousands of years ago and still had a better grasp of astronomy then your average joey? No, i don't really see our technological advances as revolutionary as you do.
I'm dead sure an average Mayan Joey had even less of an idea than an average Joey of today. I don't think comparing averages works anyway, I'd definitely focus on the elites.
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Also science doesn't really have anything to do with predictions.
Excuse me? You observe, you build theories and then you can predict. How else? We can't really discuss anything other than scientific predictions, can we. Well OK, the invisible pink unicorn just told me the world is gonna end in 2069, 06.09. That can hardly be used as an argument in any informed discussion though. ;)
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My point was to make a joke about your almost arrogant view of todays society being somehow "technologically advanced" :p
Again, only comparatively. And no, I don't think it's arrogant at all. Just on the apocalyptic theme: we send craft to space, we catalogue and track hazardous space objects, we also monitor home (Earth) hazards with increasing accuracy, plus we're rather close to colonizing other worlds. Of course we can get seriously unlucky (an untracked space rock, a random gamma ray burst, some monstrous volcanic eruption we didn't foresee etc.), but such activities bring us that little bit closer to actually surviving as a civilization. And I think that is extremely cool.
Oh, and on topic: I'm definitely going to see the movie! 
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Posted - 2009/11/13 : 13:42:03
I won't be going. I want to avoid encouraging stupid conspiracy theories like this. Besides, not into disaster movies.
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Posted - 2009/11/16 : 04:36:35
TRIED to go and see the movie tonight with my buddies, we were 15 mins late
snuck a 2.6 of booze in
proceeded to get drunk
yelled alot and punched each other for about an hour, broke a few of the seats
got bored and left.
damn crazy special effects, too drunk to tell if it was a good movie or not
had a great time though :P
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