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Shades
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 Posted - 2010/01/14 : 01:34:16
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
I think it's a myth that FL is easier to use than Cubase. I think the fact that it has a built in sampler makes it easier to use at first
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awww dude..... do i need to say he contradicts himself............ this whole flame war over sequencers is down to personal preference.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2010/01/14 : 04:39:46
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Shades_of_Grey:
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
I think it's a myth that FL is easier to use than Cubase. I think the fact that it has a built in sampler makes it easier to use at first
Quoted for Fail reasons lmao
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awww dude..... do i need to say he contradicts himself............ this whole flame war over sequencers is down to personal preference.
It's not contradictory at all. You can't take half my post because what you quoted is completely out of context. The only thing that makes FL *seem* easier to use than Cubase is that the sampler is built-in, pre-routed. Setting up a sampler in Cubase takes 2 minutes. If you think that that single step is what determines the ease of use of a sequencer that's pretty ridiculous.
I could take the same approach and say that Cubase is easier to use than FL because studio EQ is built into every channel. I don't have to set-up a VST EQ plugin like FL's "Parametric EQ" as an insert.
It's a bit of a ridiculous way of thinking. If someone just read their sampler's manual for 1 minute they wouldn't have any trouble but most people that have never used a sequencer just give up before then (saying "why won't it make a boom boom sound?!!!").
As for the other debate going on...
Cubase definitely handles hardware and audio really well. I remember trying to chop up samples in FL...ugh. Brutal.
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Shades
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Posted - 2010/01/14 : 08:20:42
if you read the original post he asked which is the best FRUITYLOOPS TO BUY
he has made his choice so all this cubase is better than FL shite is pointless
but just to keep winding you up.......
heres a quote from gammers facebook lol
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Matt Gammer @Klubfiller is far too quick on frootyloops....have to say the temptation is taking hold!
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2010/01/14 : 12:39:57
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It's not contradictory at all. You can't take half my post because what you quoted is completely out of context. The only thing that makes FL *seem* easier to use than Cubase is that the sampler is built-in, pre-routed. Setting up a sampler in Cubase takes 2 minutes. If you think that that single step is what determines the ease of use of a sequencer that's pretty ridiculous.
I could take the same approach and say that Cubase is easier to use than FL because studio EQ is built into every channel. I don't have to set-up a VST EQ plugin like FL's "Parametric EQ" as an insert.
It's a bit of a ridiculous way of thinking. If someone just read their sampler's manual for 1 minute they wouldn't have any trouble but most people that have never used a sequencer just give up before then (saying "why won't it make a boom boom sound?!!!").
As for the other debate going on...
Cubase definitely handles hardware and audio really well. I remember trying to chop up samples in FL...ugh. Brutal.
again.. personal issue.. i have no problem slicing samples. not with the slicer tool nd not manually on the wav lines
pre-routed sampler.. erm.. your not bind to use that you know? you can make FL as limited as you want.. which in some cases could be unlimited. same goes for cubase.
I dont know what version of cubase you've got and what your personal experience with it is.. but i know several people here who got a decent sound card nd keep getting problems with cubase soundcard wise. wots the deal wif that? if i were to chose for cubase i;d say go with cubase 2 because thats the last non-whining version i've seen (got 3 nd 5 aswell somewhere.. just to check em out nd actually know wot im on about)
really cubase as a better one? yer maybe when we had fl 4 or so.. currently its all bull..
coming back on what andy said about logic.. i gave it a shot on the windows version.. so far so good.. quite impressed.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/01/14 : 16:33:19
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Also channel faders and mixers is better > why? Same quality, different layout. You may as well have said you like them better.
Well the faders in Cubase are considerably bigger so it's easier to move them shorter distances with more accuracy. Maybe it is my opinion. I'm going to leave it at that though as i'm not trying to debate which is better or not because i don't really care, it has no importance (considering people seem to take it personaly).
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2010/01/14 : 19:05:24
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again.. personal issue.. i have no problem slicing samples. not with the slicer tool nd not manually on the wav lines
pre-routed sampler.. erm.. your not bind to use that you know? you can make FL as limited as you want.. which in some cases could be unlimited. same goes for cubase.
I don't think you grasped the point I was making. I never once said Cubase was better than FL. In fact, I'm pretty sure I showed they both have different strengths.
Cubase is definitely better at handling audio. That's impossible to contest. The slice tool is a lot more useable and you can do instant fades very quickly, as well as record multiple takes to one block. It even has built in pitch shifting! I also never said the sampler was limiting in FL - I actually said that was a strong point because it's easier to use. I know very well that you can add a VST sampler. My point was that the reason people THINK FL is easier to use is that the sampler is pre-routed and built-in.
All the sequencers are pretty easy to use if you actually bother reading a manual for 2 minutes.
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Posted - 2010/01/15 : 00:14:06
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Also channel faders and mixers is better > why? Same quality, different layout. You may as well have said you like them better.
Well the faders in Cubase are considerably bigger so it's easier to move them shorter distances with more accuracy. Maybe it is my opinion. I'm going to leave it at that though as i'm not trying to debate which is better or not because i don't really care, it has no importance (considering people seem to take it personaly).
sorry if you thought i was taking it personally, i actually enjoy a debate, and was enjoying this one but fair enough
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/01/15 : 01:03:46
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Also channel faders and mixers is better > why? Same quality, different layout. You may as well have said you like them better.
Well the faders in Cubase are considerably bigger so it's easier to move them shorter distances with more accuracy. Maybe it is my opinion. I'm going to leave it at that though as i'm not trying to debate which is better or not because i don't really care, it has no importance (considering people seem to take it personaly).
sorry if you thought i was taking it personally, i actually enjoy a debate, and was enjoying this one but fair enough
No i didn't mean you, but people in general.
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Posted - 2010/01/20 : 00:52:27
What do people think about FL Studio V's Ableton? Which do you prefer?
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Posted - 2010/01/20 : 18:40:05
very different workflow but Ableton has much better built in plugins IMO
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Posted - 2010/01/20 : 22:39:15
On the note of FL's built-in plugins being shit, I disagree. It may just be that I'm not a very experienced producer, so there may be things I'm not noticing, but personally I like TS404 and 3x osc, and Sytrus is nice, too. Of course, 3x osc is very basic, but it does produce nice clean waves that you can filter through any 3rd party filter. As for filters, Parametric EQ 2 is great, Delay is good, Blood Overdrive is pretty good although I prefer CamelCrusher :p I also use Flanger, Phaser and Chorus occasionally. There are a load of plugins I don't really find any use for though, but that might also be because of my experience, or rather lack of.
Oh, and on the note of other sequencers, the only others I've tried are Ableton and Reason, and the arrangement in both was strange for me, as I'm used to and prefer the playlist version FL has.
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Posted - 2010/01/20 : 22:43:28
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On the note of FL's built-in plugins being shit, I disagree. It may just be that I'm not a very experienced producer, so there may be things I'm not noticing, but personally I like TS404 and 3x osc, and Sytrus is nice, too. Of course, 3x osc is very basic, but it does produce nice clean waves that you can filter through any 3rd party filter. As for filters, Parametric EQ 2 is great, Delay is good, Blood Overdrive is pretty good although I prefer CamelCrusher :p I also use Flanger, Phaser and Chorus occasionally. There are a load of plugins I don't really find any use for though, but that might also be because of my experience, or rather lack of.
Oh, and on the note of other sequencers, the only others I've tried are Ableton and Reason, and the arrangement in both was strange for me, as I'm used to and prefer the playlist version FL has.
if it comes to build in stuff from FL.. i'd say the slicer is a top tool :) i hear plenty cubase users who would install fl just to get that slicer (rewired but still ;) )
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Posted - 2010/01/20 : 22:44:13
Oh yeah, forgot about that one. I do use that quite a bit too!
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Posted - 2010/01/20 : 22:51:50
The TS 404 does or did do very nice acid when distorted!
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