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 Posted - 2010/04/30 : 17:06:26
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have to? no. want to? thats different altogether. I've heard quite a few supporting arguments for the burqa, mainly revolving around not having to worry about appearance and compete physically with other women.
Yes and being forced to wear it by the society has nothing to do with it.
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Lol over here we just ban England shirts in ****ing pubs!!!
Remember its OK to oppress the majority, its only racisms when its done to minorities.
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But they should be allowed too.. This sounds like the begginning of some nazi shit
Read qu'ran, its fascism in its purest form.
Personally i believe in freedom. That includes to wear whatever the **** you want. Our law conflicts with that, for other reasons. But TBH i think our laws are just. Islam is, fundamentally, against everything i believe in and am willing to fight for. Thats why i agree with Wilky that its a shit religion. But if you believe non believers should be killed and women arent worth shit, all the best. You have the right same as everyone else. But dont come crying when we dont adjust our country to your ways.
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 17:25:25
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But they should be allowed too.. This sounds like the begginning of some nazi shit
Read qu'ran, its fascism in its purest form.
Personally i believe in freedom. That includes to wear whatever the **** you want. Our law conflicts with that, for other reasons. But TBH i think our laws are just. Islam is, fundamentally, against everything i believe in and am willing to fight for. Thats why i agree with Wilky that its a shit religion. But if you believe non believers should be killed and women arent worth shit, all the best. You have the right same as everyone else. But dont come crying when we dont adjust our country to your ways.
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I dont like Islam and I agree that opression of woman etc. is bad.. But if a woman wants to wear a burka she should be allowed. People should be allowed to wear whatever they want. Regular muslims is okey anyways, fundamentalists is the concern.
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 17:35:06
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Originally posted by Dante:
Tbh, women shouldn't have to wear burkas.
But they should be allowed too.. This sounds like the begginning of some nazi shit
Absolutely. It is their choice to wear that, they don't 'have' to. I think you will find they are proud of the religious choices. The idea of banning something like this boggles my mind, it is no different from being a nazi. It's none of anyone elses business what you choose to wear and the idea of saying to someone that you can't wear something is just weird lol. Who gives a shit what their religion is about, it's completely irrelevant, it has nothing to do with anything. Their religion is their choice, if someone doesn't like it its their problem. In the case of the laws that require you to be seen well, that would be a valid argument if the people that run the EU weren't a power of evil all on their own.
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 17:44:00
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Originally posted by FingazMc:
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Originally posted by Wilky:
There should be a world wide ban on burkas... Islam and all religions... Islam is a controling piece of shit religion and i hate it with a passion...
Btw its not racist to hate a religion or all religions.. More to the point... People should be arguing why it shudnt be banned.. Nice to see other countries doin this like france... The sooner we do it the better...
Lol over here we just ban England shirts in ****ing pubs!!!
Im so tempted to get an EDL hoodie with the face mask built in and wear it all the time and tell people im muslim when they tell me to take it off just to make a ****ing point.
Link me to EDL hoodie, i wnt one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ENGLISH-DEFENCE-LEAGUE-HOODIE-EDL-BURKA-FACE-MASK-/170478417424?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27b14e3610
And you get your town/firm on the back
Edit: Btw i am a supporter of the EDL i don't agree with a bunch of hooligans causing mayhem (which is what happend when 3000 of them were in Stoke, It was mental) But i do agree with what they stand for, so before anyone babbles on about how evil they are actually look them up first. They're not against any race of people they're mainly against Extremist terrorism and sharia law being brought into England. And i for one support that. And No they're not like the BNP of whom i could not be a member of anyway since im part Jewish, part Russian, part Irish and the rest English....Iv'e seen flags with the star of David on them being waved at EDL meets along with a few of my Anglo/African mates actually there, so they're not racist in anyway. Anyway rant over... FCUK FCUK THE UAF!!! E-E-EDL!!!
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 17:56:12
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Fishy:
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Originally posted by Dante:
Tbh, women shouldn't have to wear burkas.
But they should be allowed too.. This sounds like the begginning of some nazi shit
Absolutely. It is their choice to wear that, they don't 'have' to. I think you will find they are proud of the religious choices. The idea of banning something like this boggles my mind, it is no different from being a nazi. It's none of anyone elses business what you choose to wear and the idea of saying to someone that you can't wear something is just weird lol. Who gives a shit what their religion is about, it's completely irrelevant, it has nothing to do with anything. Their religion is their choice, if someone doesn't like it its their problem. In the case of the laws that require you to be seen well, that would be a valid argument if the people that run the EU weren't a power of evil all on their own.
although... I agree with what you're sayin when it comes to completely covering ones face then to me thats a massive no no.... That should not be allowed at all
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 17:57:58
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Tbh, women shouldn't have to wear burkas.
But they should be allowed too.. This sounds like the begginning of some nazi shit
Absolutely. It is their choice to wear that, they don't 'have' to. I think you will find they are proud of the religious choices. The idea of banning something like this boggles my mind, it is no different from being a nazi. It's none of anyone elses business what you choose to wear and the idea of saying to someone that you can't wear something is just weird lol. Who gives a shit what their religion is about, it's completely irrelevant, it has nothing to do with anything. Their religion is their choice, if someone doesn't like it its their problem. In the case of the laws that require you to be seen well, that would be a valid argument if the people that run the EU weren't a power of evil all on their own.
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 17:58:41
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Regular muslims is okey anyways, fundamentalists is the concern.
I wasn't talking about fundamentalists, i was talking about Islam fundamentally. Every religion has it shite, but Islam is a whole different ballgame. If you want to be a true muslim its perfectly OK to kill the infidel where as e.g. Christianity teaches to turn the other cheek. Its written all over it. So you have to be pretty damn moderate muslim to follow the western laws. In most cases, luckily people can judge by them own self whats right and wrong. But in more cases then id like thats not the case. Theres shit loads of statistics to back this up, just do some research. In Sweden the rape statistics have tripled (leading in rape statistics in europe ATM), and the victims age has gone down. In Denmark more then half of rapes are done by immigrants, same goes for Oslo. Its not pretty. You can blame whatever you want. I don't have a solution, so i say downgrade the cause of the problem. Until we have a better solution. Its my tax money used so its my prerogative.
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 18:13:18
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by Fishy:
Regular muslims is okey anyways, fundamentalists is the concern.
I wasn't talking about fundamentalists, i was talking about Islam fundamentally. Every religion has it shite, but Islam is a whole different ballgame. If you want to be a true muslim its perfectly OK to kill the infidel where as e.g. Christianity teaches to turn the other cheek. Its written all over it. So you have to be pretty damn moderate muslim to follow the western laws. In most cases, luckily people can judge by them own self whats right and wrong. But in more cases then id like thats not the case. Theres shit loads of statistics to back this up, just do some research. In Sweden the rape statistics have tripled (leading in rape statistics in europe ATM), and the victims age has gone down. In Denmark more then half of rapes are done by immigrants, same goes for Oslo. Its not pretty. You can blame whatever you want. I don't have a solution, so i say downgrade the cause of the problem. Until we have a better solution. Its my tax money used so its my prerogative.
Well if u want to be a true cristian then u can kill ur kids if they are disobedient and slaves are totally cool, read the old testament. Its impossible to be a true christian as the new testament tells the oppisite but its all in the bible, its not better than islam.. In fact its the same, the quaran also teach Most muslims I know are just as anyone else and doesent kill the infedels or opress they're woman.
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 18:18:09
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Originally posted by Dante:
Tbh, women shouldn't have to wear burkas.
have to? no. want to? thats different altogether. I've heard quite a few supporting arguments for the burqa, mainly revolving around not having to worry about appearance and compete physically with other women. It makes sense when you see the pressures of body image that women have to face daily, things that men aren't even aware of. Many women feel the burqa is particularly liberating, which may surprise you and is contrary to the arguments put against them.
Before people start making statements about what is best for women, they should probably ask the women what they would prefer.
Aren't women forced to wear them in some places in the middle east? Oh that's already been mentioned, nevermind.
I don't think they should be banned, i think people should be able to wear whatever they please, within reason. But this also includes wearing hats/hoods in public places and buildings. If i have a bad hair day and want to wear a hat to hide the fact i don't think i should be told to take it off by some jumped-up, bald-headed prick prowling the arcade area of a bowling alley with a little walkie talkie and arm band combo. ****. True story btw.
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 18:32:14
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Well if u want to be a true cristian then u can kill ur kids if they are disobedient and slaves are totally cool, read the old testament. Its impossible to be a true christian as the new testament tells the oppisite but its all in the bible, its not better than islam.. In fact its the same, the quaran also teach Most muslims I know are just as anyone else and doesent kill the infedels or opress they're woman.
Bible is written by men, qu'ran by god, and thats the problem. You cant dismiss anything.
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 18:41:29
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Originally posted by Dante:
Tbh, women shouldn't have to wear burkas.
have to? no. want to? thats different altogether. I've heard quite a few supporting arguments for the burqa, mainly revolving around not having to worry about appearance and compete physically with other women. It makes sense when you see the pressures of body image that women have to face daily, things that men aren't even aware of. Many women feel the burqa is particularly liberating, which may surprise you and is contrary to the arguments put against them.
Before people start making statements about what is best for women, they should probably ask the women what they would prefer.
Aren't women forced to wear them in some places in the middle east? Oh that's already been mentioned, nevermind.
I don't think they should be banned, i think people should be able to wear whatever they please, within reason. But this also includes wearing hats/hoods in public places and buildings. If i have a bad hair day and want to wear a hat to hide the fact i don't think i should be told to take it off by some jumped-up, bald-headed prick prowling the arcade area of a bowling alley with a little walkie talkie and arm band combo. ****. True story btw.
in an id'in society that we live in today wearing a burkha dusnt work... How can u id sumone when all u can see is their eyes? Can be bloody done as they all look like ninja's...
So with that in mind... Do u still have the same view?
If you worked in a shop/had your own business and had to id people or face a 10 grand fine and u wouldnt/couldnt ask for id as u dont wana offend or be labelled a racist im sure down the pub you'd be givin it "them ****ers should be banned"
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 18:42:17
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Well if u want to be a true cristian then u can kill ur kids if they are disobedient and slaves are totally cool, read the old testament. Its impossible to be a true christian as the new testament tells the oppisite but its all in the bible, its not better than islam.. In fact its the same, the quaran also teach Most muslims I know are just as anyone else and doesent kill the infedels or opress they're woman.
Bible is written by men, qu'ran by god, and thats the problem. You cant dismiss anything.
What? Christians belivie that the bible also is written by god, well the old testament that is...
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 18:48:40
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Well if u want to be a true cristian then u can kill ur kids if they are disobedient and slaves are totally cool, read the old testament. Its impossible to be a true christian as the new testament tells the oppisite but its all in the bible, its not better than islam.. In fact its the same, the quaran also teach Most muslims I know are just as anyone else and doesent kill the infedels or opress they're woman.
Bible is written by men, qu'ran by god, and thats the problem. You cant dismiss anything.
What? Christians belivie that the bible also is written by god, well the old testament that is...
I cant really speak for Christianity as a whole, since I'm evangelical Lutheran, but i don't believe that or haven't been teached that. So dont really know what your talking about.
Edit: a quick read through wiki didnt give any results, can you provide a link to back that up?
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 19:07:00
No but Im raised in a Christian family(not christian myself) and thats what ive learned:P
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Posted - 2010/04/30 : 19:08:53
I'm pretty sure the bible in all cases is meant to be written by disciples, but what does it matter who wrote it, the teachers still come from a god either way regardless of who wrote them (yes jesus isn't got but he's the son of god so that's close enough).
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