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Millimo
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 Posted - 2010/08/16 : 10:45:56
Hey, im brand new in this forum. I live in Denmark and the HHC in denmark is almost non-existent unfortunately, due to the mainstream overhaul that electro and houes has.
I have heard Happy Hardcore as much as possible, buying as many singles as i love the past month. And im already step by step beginning to get converted to HHC from Hardstyle.
I just have a few questions about the different subgenres of hardcore which i just want to get straight. I've heard hardcore(Believe you guys call it Gabber?) for some time, so i got a pretty good hold of that part.
My question. What is the difference between happy- and UK hardcore? If there is a difference. Because tracks like Petruccio and Modulate - Wet Knickers are very different if you take a song like Darren styles - Flashlight.
So, is there a different genre/subgenre betweens tracks like beforementioned?
Thx in Advance :)
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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2010/08/16 : 10:56:25
i would say
happy hardcore being the vocal cheese pre-year-2002
uk hardcore has become a blanket term for that same vocal cheese post-2002 ish and what its turned into
thats not a very in-depth explanation, but a very sweeping general one
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 11:08:04
Happy Hardcore was really a name given to the stuff coming out of the UK in the mid-late 90's. The stuff had breakbeats, a kick on every beat sat over the top of them, cheesy vocals and stab leads. The breakbeats increasingly disappeared from it towards the end of its years but leaving the other elements intact and adding a more obvious stabby bass on most tracks.
Also around this time you had Bouncy Techno which was a bit harder and didn't have the breakbeats. Bouncy Techno was being pushed mainly in the North of England and Scotland by the likes of Scott Brown but it was played and listened to down south still. It was fairly similar to the stuff coming out of Holland at the time really. There was a bit of a merge of the two toward the end of the 90's before everything died back a bit (but not completely).
The modern stuff that started emerging around the time of the 1999 Hardcore lul in the UK is just referred to as Hardcore or UK Hardcore now. Its a bit confusing because the "Gabber" coming out of the UK from artists such as The Producer is also called UK Hardcore by people in Europe.
Basically in the UK its this.
Hardcore/UK Hardcore - All the mainstream sounding stuff. Can be Trancey but that was more 2000-2005/6, it tends to be quite Hands Up now. You do also get a fair few tracks taking influence from Electro that still fall under this category too.
Freeform Hardcore - taking influence from other types of Hard Dance, generally has epic trancey leads and breakdowns, acid lines and is less cheesy. Some freeform has big distorted kicks or sounds a lot like fast Psy Trance though. There can be a fair bit of variety in Freeform. This is the current incarnation of what was Trancecore in the 90s.
Breakbeat Hardcore - Basically DnB but with some old and new Hardcore influences in there.
Hardcore Breaks/J-Tek - New "Oldskool". Stuff made in the style of the 1989-1993 Hardcore or "rave".
Ill leave out all the Gabber bits because you're already clued up on that.
Hope this helps! Sorry if my writing is a bit jumbled. It was a very heavy weekend and I haven't recovered yet. :P
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 11:33:26
there you go, someone with much more time on their hands than I ;)
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 11:37:12
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there you go, someone with much more time on their hands than I ;)
Slow day at work. :P Slow few weeks actually, I hate the holiday period. :(
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Skyline07
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 11:41:49
I am actually quite curious with this question as well. I've been listening to Happy Hardcore since forever or whenever di.fm 1st started. There was always some tracks that I really enjoyed like, This Life, Slide Away, and 24/7. Anything that has womans vocals and a good dance part. I am not too sure but is this category of hhc is called dream dance or .....if anyone could please tell me the name of this area of hhc. I never liked the ones without vocals or the ones that just had random beats and sounds jumbled up together. I not sure but I always considered this type of hhc to be called gabber. I just always thought hhc had many categories but then again I live in Houston, Texas from America and I dont know much people that listen to this type of music.
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 11:47:17
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Originally posted by Skyline07:
I am actually quite curious with this question as well. I've been listening to Happy Hardcore since forever or whenever di.fm 1st started. There was always some tracks that I really enjoyed like, This Life, Slide Away, and 24/7. Anything that has womans vocals and a good dance part. I am not too sure but is this category of hhc is called dream dance or .....if anyone could please tell me the name of this area of hhc. I never liked the ones without vocals or the ones that just had random beats and sounds jumbled up together. I not sure but I always considered this type of hhc to be called gabber. I just always thought hhc had many categories but then again I live in Houston, Texas from America and I dont know much people that listen to this type of music.
That would be Hardcore/UK Hardcore. There is no real sub-genre for the purely vocal cheesy stuff over here. You just need to take note of the labels/artists pushing it really but most of them will make a mixture of stuff. Try picking up the more commercial albums such as Clubland Xtreme Harcore though, should be nearest to your tastes. Perhaps you'll grow to like the other stuff too with time though. :)
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Skyline07
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 11:51:22
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Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
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Originally posted by Skyline07:
I am actually quite curious with this question as well. I've been listening to Happy Hardcore since forever or whenever di.fm 1st started. There was always some tracks that I really enjoyed like, This Life, Slide Away, and 24/7. Anything that has womans vocals and a good dance part. I am not too sure but is this category of hhc is called dream dance or .....if anyone could please tell me the name of this area of hhc. I never liked the ones without vocals or the ones that just had random beats and sounds jumbled up together. I not sure but I always considered this type of hhc to be called gabber. I just always thought hhc had many categories but then again I live in Houston, Texas from America and I dont know much people that listen to this type of music.
That would be Hardcore/UK Hardcore. There is no real sub-genre for the purely vocal cheesy stuff over here. You just need to take note of the labels/artists pushing it really but most of them will make a mixture of stuff.
These days all i get when I buy a album like clubland xtreme hardcore is just a cd of remixes but nothing really that special.....Is this another genre or hhc or just what hhc is evolving too?
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Millimo
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 11:56:03
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Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
Happy Hardcore was really a name given to the stuff coming out of the UK in the mid-late 90's. The stuff had breakbeats, a kick on every beat sat over the top of them, cheesy vocals and stab leads. The breakbeats increasingly disappeared from it towards the end of its years but leaving the other elements intact and adding a more obvious stabby bass on most tracks.
Also around this time you had Bouncy Techno which was a bit harder and didn't have the breakbeats. Bouncy Techno was being pushed mainly in the North of England and Scotland by the likes of Scott Brown but it was played and listened to down south still. It was fairly similar to the stuff coming out of Holland at the time really. There was a bit of a merge of the two toward the end of the 90's before everything died back a bit (but not completely).
The modern stuff that started emerging around the time of the 1999 Hardcore lul in the UK is just referred to as Hardcore or UK Hardcore now. Its a bit confusing because the "Gabber" coming out of the UK from artists such as The Producer is also called UK Hardcore by people in Europe.
Basically in the UK its this.
Hardcore/UK Hardcore - All the mainstream sounding stuff. Can be Trancey but that was more 2000-2005/6, it tends to be quite Hands Up now. You do also get a fair few tracks taking influence from Electro that still fall under this category too.
Freeform Hardcore - taking influence from other types of Hard Dance, generally has epic trancey leads and breakdowns, acid lines and is less cheesy. Some freeform has big distorted kicks or sounds a lot like fast Psy Trance though. There can be a fair bit of variety in Freeform. This is the current incarnation of what was Trancecore in the 90s.
Breakbeat Hardcore - Basically DnB but with some old and new Hardcore influences in there.
Hardcore Breaks/J-Tek - New "Oldskool". Stuff made in the style of the 1989-1993 Hardcore or "rave".
Ill leave out all the Gabber bits because you're already clued up on that.
Hope this helps! Sorry if my writing is a bit jumbled. It was a very heavy weekend and I haven't recovered yet. :P
Thx! That did help quite a bit. It seems as im more to the Freeform Hardcore genre. The dj sets that i've loved so far has had freeform in its name. Its so rarely that i like really cheesy hardcore such as hixxy. Only a few darren styles tracks has been interesting so far. But i really love when happy hardcore takes a few sounds or general things from other genres and incooparate it in their own genre. So ill be looking more out for freeform hardcore from now on.
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 12:30:04
i hate the label of UK hardcore as theres producers in other countries all writing the same stuff. Why cant it just be called Hardcore and forget all the subtitles. Just makes life so much easier!
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 12:39:57
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i hate the label of UK hardcore as theres producers in other countries all writing the same stuff. Why cant it just be called Hardcore and forget all the subtitles. Just makes life so much easier!
this!
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 12:41:51
What does it matter? It's all Techno anyway
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 12:46:17
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What does it matter? It's all Techno anyway
as my dad calls it ' doof doof music'
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 13:33:05
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
i would say
happy hardcore being the vocal cheese pre-year-2002
uk hardcore has become a blanket term for that same vocal cheese post-2002 ish and what its turned into
thats not a very in-depth explanation, but a very sweeping general one
I've always gone with this as well! if I hear the name "UK Hardcore" I often think of the harder stuff with the kind of trancey riffs and such. Happy Hardcore will always be pre 2002 for me as well, I think dowster and uprise - steps ahead is about as late as happy hardcore gets for me really. As much as I like the happy, cheesey dougal and gammer stuff I find it difficult to call it happy hardcore because the kick is too hard and not bouncy enough. Instead of sounding like "DOON" it sounds like "DVVVT"
generally tho I never really use UK Hardcore unless I am with people who may confuse "Hardcore" with Hardcore Punk and stuff.
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 13:34:08
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Originally posted by Millimo:
Thx! That did help quite a bit. It seems as im more to the Freeform Hardcore genre. The dj sets that i've loved so far has had freeform in its name. Its so rarely that i like really cheesy hardcore such as hixxy. Only a few darren styles tracks has been interesting so far. But i really love when happy hardcore takes a few sounds or general things from other genres and incooparate it in their own genre. So ill be looking more out for freeform hardcore from now on.
Glad I could help. :) A good way to keep up with freeform is listening to the NEC weekly podcasts - http://www.kraftyradio.com/profiles/129/
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Originally posted by Skyline07:
These days all i get when I buy a album like clubland xtreme hardcore is just a cd of remixes but nothing really that special.....Is this another genre or hhc or just what hhc is evolving too?
Yes there is an awful lot of remixes in Hardcore I'm afraid, especially on the mainstream side of things. Try checking out albums like the Hardcore Underground series. There will be more instrumental tracks but a higher percentage of the vocal tracks tend to be original.
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
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Originally posted by Dj Sc@r:
i hate the label of UK hardcore as theres producers in other countries all writing the same stuff. Why cant it just be called Hardcore and forget all the subtitles. Just makes life so much easier!
this!
Yeah I agree and personally I just call it Hardcore. It confuses a lot of people outside of the UK though because to them Hardcore is Neophyte, The Stunned Guys etc. Saying that though to them UK hardcore is The Producer and guys like that so that's no less confusing. :P
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Posted - 2010/08/16 : 13:39:54
If Freeform is what you like (as I do as well) here are some things to get you started:
Nu Energy Collective - http://www.nuenergycollective.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
NEC is probably the biggest freeform label, and through that site you can download alot of sets after you sign up. They also do a weekly podcast - http://feeds2.feedburner.com/NuEnergyCollectivePodcasts - which should keep you up to date on a lot of new and forthcoming freeform tracks, and they are up to podcast 57 so if you download them all that's a LOT of freeform.
Another label worth checking out is FINRG - http://www.finrg.com/ which is a finnish label that puts out some great freeform. They also have a lot of free full length tracks available for download through http://soundcloud.com/finrg-recordings.
They are 2 of the big ones, but there is a lot of other great music in Freeform being made, it's just a little harder to find. I just started (last week actually) what I plan to be a weekly blog, feel free to check it out as I do mention freeform quite a bit in there, and hopefully can show you some stuff you may not have found. The link to the blog is in my signature. Hopefully this helps and enjoy your new musical journey :)
EDIT: Looks like Audio Weaponry beat me to the NEC podcasts, both links work to dl the podcasts :P
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