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kathryn
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 Posted - 2010/08/30 : 20:42:25
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Originally posted by Mortis:
MY two cents on the subject is as follows:
Around 99' the scene started to be dominated by Sy & Storm on the live front. At the time Sy & Unknown where making some terrible music, Force & Styles, who where the best act of the late 90's split up and went their separate ways. It was still very much a "boys club" and due to this new talent hardly ever broke through. Around this time seen the introduction of the DJ/Producer - if you weren't a producer you couldn't seem to break through as a DJ. This is still true now.
With trance booming during the turn on the century hardcore in it's 99 form was shown up as a weak genre rife with tracks devoid of feeling and energy. People such as Vinylgroover, Trixxy, Hixxy, Dougal, Styles & Scott Brown tried very much in vein to take the scene in a new musical direction. Although these artists where using trance elements in their productions it didn't seem to take hold (to me it was a no brainer and should have taken hold a hell of a lot sooner than it did). As a result of all of this a hell of a lot of producers left the scene, Slipmatt, Force, Seduction, Demo, DNA, Mickey Skeedale, Eruption...the list goes on.
Most fans of the music went with the producers and moved onto either Hard House, D&B or Trance. Some producers and fans hung on and ultimately they are the ones who ended up building the foundation of the scene that we see today.
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 23:18:08
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Originally posted by kathryn:
quote:
Originally posted by Mortis:
MY two cents on the subject is as follows:
Around 99' the scene started to be dominated by Sy & Storm on the live front. At the time Sy & Unknown where making some terrible music, Force & Styles, who where the best act of the late 90's split up and went their separate ways. It was still very much a "boys club" and due to this new talent hardly ever broke through. Around this time seen the introduction of the DJ/Producer - if you weren't a producer you couldn't seem to break through as a DJ. This is still true now.
With trance booming during the turn on the century hardcore in it's 99 form was shown up as a weak genre rife with tracks devoid of feeling and energy. People such as Vinylgroover, Trixxy, Hixxy, Dougal, Styles & Scott Brown tried very much in vein to take the scene in a new musical direction. Although these artists where using trance elements in their productions it didn't seem to take hold (to me it was a no brainer and should have taken hold a hell of a lot sooner than it did). As a result of all of this a hell of a lot of producers left the scene, Slipmatt, Force, Seduction, Demo, DNA, Mickey Skeedale, Eruption...the list goes on.
Most fans of the music went with the producers and moved onto either Hard House, D&B or Trance. Some producers and fans hung on and ultimately they are the ones who ended up building the foundation of the scene that we see today.
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yeah! he almost got it right, but forget to mention that, around that time, uk garage and 2step were kicking off too
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Sam Swift
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Posted - 2010/08/31 : 08:05:43
Yeah have to agree, Sy and Unknown started making hardhouse at hardcore speed round this time. They have always been pretty hit and miss with their productions I've found though.
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major tom
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 17:08:48
what i was kind of getting at with the original post was what caused the stagnation in 1999. when i was a teenager i could only really afford tapepacks maybe once or twice a year,so when i listened to each new one it was a real quantum leap from the previous one in terms of style. for example; late 94 to early 95 was really fresh; breakbeats fading out, kick drums coming in, then 96 productions sounded really clear and stompy, 97 slowed the beats down and had better vocals and some drum and bass bits in it ( like sy and demo devotion) but 98 and 99 didnt seem to change much for me, when i got a new pack it was either the same old tired tunes or just sped up commercial trance tracks so i got disillusioned with it and just bought old skool packs until i discovered uproar all systems go in 2004, now i collect tapepacks so ive kind of filled in the missing years, but i wanted everyones imput to see if anyone had a similar experience to me
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major tom
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 17:12:43
what i was kind of getting at with the original post was what caused the stagnation in 1999. when i was a teenager i could only really afford tapepacks maybe once or twice a year,so when i listened to each new one it was a real quantum leap from the previous one in terms of style. for example; late 94 to early 95 was really fresh; breakbeats fading out, kick drums coming in, then 96 productions sounded really clear and stompy, 97 slowed the beats down and had better vocals and some drum and bass bits in it ( like sy and demo devotion) but 98 and 99 didnt seem to change much for me, when i got a new pack it was either the same old tired tunes or just sped up commercial trance tracks so i got disillusioned with it and just bought old skool packs until i discovered uproar all systems go in 2004, now i collect tapepacks so ive kind of filled in the missing years, but i wanted everyones imput to see if anyone had a similar experience to me
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matttye
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 23:17:43
The tunes from 99 sounded like utter bollocks with the exception of a few (only old ones I like really are Toytown and Timebomb -- not sure if they date back as far as 99 though)
Hardcore has evolved and quite frankly I'm glad!
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2010/09/02 : 23:55:37
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The tunes from 99 sounded like utter bollocks with the exception of a few; Toytown
oh deary me lol
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 01:14:48
as far back lol!
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 01:23:34
Toy Town, was and still is one of the best tunes out there (The vocal version anyway).
Just wanted to lay that out there, I won't hear a bad word of it!
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silver
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Posted - 2010/09/03 : 02:32:45
I wrote this in wikipedia but it was removed because I sited a Japanese source... anyway in 1999 the biggest buyer of hardcore records was Q records in Japan, they bought over 50% of the records of hardcore music... they went bankrupt in 1999, alphamagic then stole everyones money went bankrupt, no hardcore music came out, hard house was picking up... producers needed to pay bills...
is the short version.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2010/09/04 : 02:49:57
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by matttye:
The tunes from 99 sounded like utter bollocks with the exception of a few; Toytown
oh deary me lol
Didn't Toytown come out in 1862?
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this-is-bonkers
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Posted - 2010/09/06 : 01:30:37
the same thing that killed it in 2007 onwards (for me atleast) Chavs and pikeys
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Dj Sc@r
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Posted - 2010/09/30 : 17:56:04
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can it only be called freeform if it has a hard beat? I wouldn't say so. That would be like saying it's not happy hardcore if it doesn't have piano and cheesy vocals. I had a debate with Sc@r about calling Raw Elements being more freeform than regular hardcore. She also said it was "hard enough". I never did tell her this, but I don't call it freeform because it's hard. I call it freeform because it doesn't sound like the regular hardcore that the likes of RB, Evolution and Quosh where making. I thought Raw Element's material was closer to NuEnergy's freeform than that.
lol are we onto this again? lol we are not a freefrom label ! hahahaha
we are a Hardcore label
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2010/10/02 : 00:12:52
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Originally posted by this-is-bonkers:
the same thing that killed it in 2007 onwards (for me atleast) Chavs and pikeys
I say the 'chav' edge came about 2005 when Clubland got big although even before then chavs where getting into it a bit.
Back in the 90s the tunes had a different appeal but there was said to be a chav side. Even watching the old rave vids on youtube you could pick out the chav types to none chavs and the earliest days (or nights) of rave gangsters made money off the scene by force and offered 'protection' to the promoters & sold drugs.
If anything the rave scene has always had a dark side (seems the Dutch scene has a differnt story and claims of Nazi links and football hooligans) but the modern scene seems to act as a playground for these kids to get mashed off cheap pills to sped up club tunes and gurn all night.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/10/02 : 01:22:26
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by this-is-bonkers:
the same thing that killed it in 2007 onwards (for me atleast) Chavs and pikeys
I say the 'chav' edge came about 2005 when Clubland got big although even before then chavs where getting into it a bit.
Back in the 90s the tunes had a different appeal but there was said to be a chav side. Even watching the old rave vids on youtube you could pick out the chav types to none chavs and the earliest days (or nights) of rave gangsters made money off the scene by force and offered 'protection' to the promoters & sold drugs.
If anything the rave scene has always had a dark side (seems the Dutch scene has a differnt story and claims of Nazi links and football hooligans) but the modern scene seems to act as a playground for these kids to get mashed off cheap pills to sped up club tunes and gurn all night.
Most people are on ket or coke if anything nowadays, pills have been bad for quite sometime and people mainly look down on them a bit here, it's all about the booze for most unfortunately!
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