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Rose
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 Posted - 2010/10/14 : 15:18:14
One thing that Ive noticed throughout the American rave scene is that most promoters spend the majority of their money on venues and advertising and not enough on actually getting some quality DJ's. After speaking to a few of my friends on this issue I want to know what you think, Am I wrong for thinking this?
(hard2get feel free to tear this post apart :P) <3
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DJ Specimen
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Posted - 2010/10/14 : 15:46:15
Pfft... like you can find an american hardcore rave outside of the city of san fransisco...
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Rose
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Posted - 2010/10/14 : 16:19:35
oh thats so not true , but new hardcore sucks anyway , so its totally irrelevant. :P
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/10/14 : 17:35:37
there are american hardcore raves/events everywhere in the US, but the problem is that most of them are created by individuals with less resources (connections, cash, etc.) also uk/happy/upfront hardcore gets less promotion than gabber hardcore.
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DJ Specimen
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Posted - 2010/10/14 : 18:40:35
I can't find anything but dubstep or DnB in Chicago, excluding ACEN.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/10/14 : 18:56:32
There is so little profit to be made (none in other words) in America that promoters simply cannot afford to import good DJ's I'd have thought. Unless they want to spend a hell of a lot of money just for the fun of it, and unless they are loaded that's not going to happen.
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DJ C-Regz
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Posted - 2010/10/15 : 01:17:26
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Originally posted by DJ Specimen:
Pfft... like you can find an american hardcore rave outside of the city of san fransisco...
You don't get around, do you?
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/10/15 : 01:54:30
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Originally posted by DJ Specimen:
Pfft... like you can find an american hardcore rave outside of the city of san fransisco...
You don't get around, do you?
apparently he doesn't. and if there isn't a scene around ur area, most ppl start one. who knows what's gonna come out from it
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/10/15 : 19:11:39
Not sure how this contributes to the theory but Candyball in New York has had some wicked DJs over the years. I'm sure sc@r will back me up on that. Can't speak for the rest of the US though as I don't know much about it. For most raves over there they seem to have mixed genres over the night so like 1 hour trance, 1 hour hardcore, 1 hour drum n bass. and yet their ticket prices are ridiculously expensive. If a standard 9-10 hour hardcore night over here was over £10 I would wonder who's on the lineup to make it so special, no way would I pay $40 or whatnot just to hear 1 hour of hardcore and maybe even have to endure 1 hour of dubstep and so on too!
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Excalibur
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Posted - 2010/10/15 : 20:20:28
It's easier (though not prevalent) to find areas on the coasts. Maybe because a lot of people here live around some hotspots but there are definitely some deadzones in the US where they don't even know the word techno.
A lot of people seem to blame the RAVE act though if Prop 19 goes through I have a feeling a lot more places will pop up in California.
Being a visual person myself I love it when they put effort into the design of the venues but when it comes down to you can't really beat the old days of going to Oakland warehouses leaving at 10am and being on your toes cause of all the gang violence.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/10/15 : 20:52:20
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Not sure how this contributes to the theory but Candyball in New York has had some wicked DJs over the years. I'm sure sc@r will back me up on that. Can't speak for the rest of the US though as I don't know much about it. For most raves over there they seem to have mixed genres over the night so like 1 hour trance, 1 hour hardcore, 1 hour drum n bass. and yet their ticket prices are ridiculously expensive. If a standard 9-10 hour hardcore night over here was over £10 I would wonder who's on the lineup to make it so special, no way would I pay $40 or whatnot just to hear 1 hour of hardcore and maybe even have to endure 1 hour of dubstep and so on too!
the tickets are ridiculously expensive at the largest events b/c it helps cover the cost of the headliners. most events are multi-room events. most of the time each room will cater to a specific genre. in each room they'll have a headliner who's cost is more than 10,000. and then the rest of the djs are local or less well-known djs.
as far as the 1hr per genre thing goes, i don't hear many of those around where i live. but, the rave i went to awhile back did have that system for the main room, seeing as it was the largest room and all the other rooms were probably 1/2 or less the size of it, it seemed fair to give every genre some coverage like that. but there was hardcore and all other genres being played in the other 2 rooms throughout the night.
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Posted - 2010/10/15 : 23:11:32
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Not sure how this contributes to the theory but Candyball in New York has had some wicked DJs over the years. I'm sure sc@r will back me up on that. Can't speak for the rest of the US though as I don't know much about it. For most raves over there they seem to have mixed genres over the night so like 1 hour trance, 1 hour hardcore, 1 hour drum n bass. and yet their ticket prices are ridiculously expensive. If a standard 9-10 hour hardcore night over here was over £10 I would wonder who's on the lineup to make it so special, no way would I pay $40 or whatnot just to hear 1 hour of hardcore and maybe even have to endure 1 hour of dubstep and so on too!
the tickets are ridiculously expensive at the largest events b/c it helps cover the cost of the headliners. most events are multi-room events. most of the time each room will cater to a specific genre. in each room they'll have a headliner who's cost is more than 10,000. and then the rest of the djs are local or less well-known djs.
as far as the 1hr per genre thing goes, i don't hear many of those around where i live. but, the rave i went to awhile back did have that system for the main room, seeing as it was the largest room and all the other rooms were probably 1/2 or less the size of it, it seemed fair to give every genre some coverage like that. but there was hardcore and all other genres being played in the other 2 rooms throughout the night.
I'm telling you now, I highly doubt it costs $10,000 to book even tiesto let alone a headliner. You're looking at the thousands dollar range at best, and that would really surprise me. We have multi room events too and the tickets aren't that expensive. raver baby was the equivilent of about $35 and had headliners from start to finish plus a few other headliners scattered across other arenas. If I were to take a guess I would say that your extortionate ticket prices are probably due to alcohol. Far more people over here drink alcohol at raves than take drugs and our legal drinking age is much lower so the venue itself will charge more because they know that they probably aren't going to get as much comeback from ravers on drugs.
Not making this an anti-drug thing at all here. My views if anything are probably quite the opposite!
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DJ Specimen
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Posted - 2010/10/16 : 03:09:43
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by DJ C-Regz:
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Originally posted by DJ Specimen:
Pfft... like you can find an american hardcore rave outside of the city of san fransisco...
You don't get around, do you?
apparently he doesn't. and if there isn't a scene around ur area, most ppl start one. who knows what's gonna come out from it
Admittedly I haven't looked very hard in Chicago. I know there's a pretty good scene in Detroit though. And I tried starting the scene, unfortunately I'm a broke ass college student, mediocre DJ at best, and nobody ****ing likes the records that I play!
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Posted - 2010/10/16 : 05:15:35
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Not sure how this contributes to the theory but Candyball in New York has had some wicked DJs over the years. I'm sure sc@r will back me up on that. Can't speak for the rest of the US though as I don't know much about it. For most raves over there they seem to have mixed genres over the night so like 1 hour trance, 1 hour hardcore, 1 hour drum n bass. and yet their ticket prices are ridiculously expensive. If a standard 9-10 hour hardcore night over here was over £10 I would wonder who's on the lineup to make it so special, no way would I pay $40 or whatnot just to hear 1 hour of hardcore and maybe even have to endure 1 hour of dubstep and so on too!
the tickets are ridiculously expensive at the largest events b/c it helps cover the cost of the headliners. most events are multi-room events. most of the time each room will cater to a specific genre. in each room they'll have a headliner who's cost is more than 10,000. and then the rest of the djs are local or less well-known djs.
as far as the 1hr per genre thing goes, i don't hear many of those around where i live. but, the rave i went to awhile back did have that system for the main room, seeing as it was the largest room and all the other rooms were probably 1/2 or less the size of it, it seemed fair to give every genre some coverage like that. but there was hardcore and all other genres being played in the other 2 rooms throughout the night.
I'm telling you now, I highly doubt it costs $10,000 to book even tiesto let alone a headliner. You're looking at the thousands dollar range at best, and that would really surprise me. We have multi room events too and the tickets aren't that expensive. raver baby was the equivilent of about $35 and had headliners from start to finish plus a few other headliners scattered across other arenas. If I were to take a guess I would say that your extortionate ticket prices are probably due to alcohol. Far more people over here drink alcohol at raves than take drugs and our legal drinking age is much lower so the venue itself will charge more because they know that they probably aren't going to get as much comeback from ravers on drugs.
Not making this an anti-drug thing at all here. My views if anything are probably quite the opposite!
u may doubt it, but you're wrong. when Brisk came to Texas for Future Fest in 2009, he was paid $12,000 USD. and that was just for a hardcore dj, and the room he played wasn't a very big room. they paid showtek close to $20,000 USD. you fail to realize that most of the DJs that are booked as headliners here in the US aren't local, or even national djs. so you have to factor in hotel expenses and travel expenses.
EDIT: and in the case of Tiesto, big egos
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DJ Specimen
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Posted - 2010/10/16 : 05:57:52
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Not sure how this contributes to the theory but Candyball in New York has had some wicked DJs over the years. I'm sure sc@r will back me up on that. Can't speak for the rest of the US though as I don't know much about it. For most raves over there they seem to have mixed genres over the night so like 1 hour trance, 1 hour hardcore, 1 hour drum n bass. and yet their ticket prices are ridiculously expensive. If a standard 9-10 hour hardcore night over here was over £10 I would wonder who's on the lineup to make it so special, no way would I pay $40 or whatnot just to hear 1 hour of hardcore and maybe even have to endure 1 hour of dubstep and so on too!
the tickets are ridiculously expensive at the largest events b/c it helps cover the cost of the headliners. most events are multi-room events. most of the time each room will cater to a specific genre. in each room they'll have a headliner who's cost is more than 10,000. and then the rest of the djs are local or less well-known djs.
as far as the 1hr per genre thing goes, i don't hear many of those around where i live. but, the rave i went to awhile back did have that system for the main room, seeing as it was the largest room and all the other rooms were probably 1/2 or less the size of it, it seemed fair to give every genre some coverage like that. but there was hardcore and all other genres being played in the other 2 rooms throughout the night.
I'm telling you now, I highly doubt it costs $10,000 to book even tiesto let alone a headliner. You're looking at the thousands dollar range at best, and that would really surprise me. We have multi room events too and the tickets aren't that expensive. raver baby was the equivilent of about $35 and had headliners from start to finish plus a few other headliners scattered across other arenas. If I were to take a guess I would say that your extortionate ticket prices are probably due to alcohol. Far more people over here drink alcohol at raves than take drugs and our legal drinking age is much lower so the venue itself will charge more because they know that they probably aren't going to get as much comeback from ravers on drugs.
Not making this an anti-drug thing at all here. My views if anything are probably quite the opposite!
lolololololol
My best friend was a promoter in San Fransisco for a while, when he found out that Tiesto was going to be in town doing a show the day before, he called him and invited him to come and just hang out, also promising to not advertise his presence. His response was "I don't 'hang out' for less than $10,000."
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Posted - 2010/10/16 : 10:58:20
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Not sure how this contributes to the theory but Candyball in New York has had some wicked DJs over the years. I'm sure sc@r will back me up on that. Can't speak for the rest of the US though as I don't know much about it. For most raves over there they seem to have mixed genres over the night so like 1 hour trance, 1 hour hardcore, 1 hour drum n bass. and yet their ticket prices are ridiculously expensive. If a standard 9-10 hour hardcore night over here was over £10 I would wonder who's on the lineup to make it so special, no way would I pay $40 or whatnot just to hear 1 hour of hardcore and maybe even have to endure 1 hour of dubstep and so on too!
the tickets are ridiculously expensive at the largest events b/c it helps cover the cost of the headliners. most events are multi-room events. most of the time each room will cater to a specific genre. in each room they'll have a headliner who's cost is more than 10,000. and then the rest of the djs are local or less well-known djs.
as far as the 1hr per genre thing goes, i don't hear many of those around where i live. but, the rave i went to awhile back did have that system for the main room, seeing as it was the largest room and all the other rooms were probably 1/2 or less the size of it, it seemed fair to give every genre some coverage like that. but there was hardcore and all other genres being played in the other 2 rooms throughout the night.
I'm telling you now, I highly doubt it costs $10,000 to book even tiesto let alone a headliner. You're looking at the thousands dollar range at best, and that would really surprise me. We have multi room events too and the tickets aren't that expensive. raver baby was the equivilent of about $35 and had headliners from start to finish plus a few other headliners scattered across other arenas. If I were to take a guess I would say that your extortionate ticket prices are probably due to alcohol. Far more people over here drink alcohol at raves than take drugs and our legal drinking age is much lower so the venue itself will charge more because they know that they probably aren't going to get as much comeback from ravers on drugs.
Not making this an anti-drug thing at all here. My views if anything are probably quite the opposite!
u may doubt it, but you're wrong. when Brisk came to Texas for Future Fest in 2009, he was paid $12,000 USD. and that was just for a hardcore dj, and the room he played wasn't a very big room. they paid showtek close to $20,000 USD. you fail to realize that most of the DJs that are booked as headliners here in the US aren't local, or even national djs. so you have to factor in hotel expenses and travel expenses.
EDIT: and in the case of Tiesto, big egos
Have you got any proof of this? I just find it really, really unlikely. Maybe less unlikely for tiesto because he sits on a big wage constantly but I've never heard of a hardcore DJ bringing that much money in. For a standard hardcore night in the UK Darren Styles just touches the £1000 maybe going a few quid over. Even allowing for going abroad I can't imagine him reaching the $10,000 mark and he's one of the most expensive if not the most expensive person in hardcore to book at the moment.
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