Too much money on venues and not enough on DJ's

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Pfft... like you can find an american hardcore rave outside of the city of san fransisco...

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You don't get around, do you?

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apparently he doesn't. and if there isn't a scene around ur area, most ppl start one. who knows what's gonna come out from it

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Admittedly I haven't looked very hard in Chicago. I know there's a pretty good scene in Detroit though. And I tried starting the scene, unfortunately I'm a broke ass college student, mediocre DJ at best, and nobody ****ing likes the records that I play!

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Not sure how this contributes to the theory but Candyball in New York has had some wicked DJs over the years. I'm sure sc@r will back me up on that. Can't speak for the rest of the US though as I don't know much about it. For most raves over there they seem to have mixed genres over the night so like 1 hour trance, 1 hour hardcore, 1 hour drum n bass. and yet their ticket prices are ridiculously expensive. If a standard 9-10 hour hardcore night over here was over £10 I would wonder who's on the lineup to make it so special, no way would I pay $40 or whatnot just to hear 1 hour of hardcore and maybe even have to endure 1 hour of dubstep and so on too!

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the tickets are ridiculously expensive at the largest events b/c it helps cover the cost of the headliners. most events are multi-room events. most of the time each room will cater to a specific genre. in each room they'll have a headliner who's cost is more than 10,000. and then the rest of the djs are local or less well-known djs.

as far as the 1hr per genre thing goes, i don't hear many of those around where i live. but, the rave i went to awhile back did have that system for the main room, seeing as it was the largest room and all the other rooms were probably 1/2 or less the size of it, it seemed fair to give every genre some coverage like that. but there was hardcore and all other genres being played in the other 2 rooms throughout the night.

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I'm telling you now, I highly doubt it costs $10,000 to book even tiesto let alone a headliner. You're looking at the thousands dollar range at best, and that would really surprise me. We have multi room events too and the tickets aren't that expensive. raver baby was the equivilent of about $35 and had headliners from start to finish plus a few other headliners scattered across other arenas. If I were to take a guess I would say that your extortionate ticket prices are probably due to alcohol. Far more people over here drink alcohol at raves than take drugs and our legal drinking age is much lower so the venue itself will charge more because they know that they probably aren't going to get as much comeback from ravers on drugs.

Not making this an anti-drug thing at all here. My views if anything are probably quite the opposite!

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u may doubt it, but you're wrong. when Brisk came to Texas for Future Fest in 2009, he was paid $12,000 USD. and that was just for a hardcore dj, and the room he played wasn't a very big room. they paid showtek close to $20,000 USD. you fail to realize that most of the DJs that are booked as headliners here in the US aren't local, or even national djs. so you have to factor in hotel expenses and travel expenses.

EDIT: and in the case of Tiesto, big egos

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Have you got any proof of this?

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Not sure how this contributes to the theory but Candyball in New York has had some wicked DJs over the years. I'm sure sc@r will back me up on that. Can't speak for the rest of the US though as I don't know much about it. For most raves over there they seem to have mixed genres over the night so like 1 hour trance, 1 hour hardcore, 1 hour drum n bass. and yet their ticket prices are ridiculously expensive. If a standard 9-10 hour hardcore night over here was over £10 I would wonder who's on the lineup to make it so special, no way would I pay $40 or whatnot just to hear 1 hour of hardcore and maybe even have to endure 1 hour of dubstep and so on too!

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the tickets are ridiculously expensive at the largest events b/c it helps cover the cost of the headliners. most events are multi-room events. most of the time each room will cater to a specific genre. in each room they'll have a headliner who's cost is more than 10,000. and then the rest of the djs are local or less well-known djs.

as far as the 1hr per genre thing goes, i don't hear many of those around where i live. but, the rave i went to awhile back did have that system for the main room, seeing as it was the largest room and all the other rooms were probably 1/2 or less the size of it, it seemed fair to give every genre some coverage like that. but there was hardcore and all other genres being played in the other 2 rooms throughout the night.

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I'm telling you now, I highly doubt it costs $10,000 to book even tiesto let alone a headliner. You're looking at the thousands dollar range at best, and that would really surprise me. We have multi room events too and the tickets aren't that expensive. raver baby was the equivilent of about $35 and had headliners from start to finish plus a few other headliners scattered across other arenas. If I were to take a guess I would say that your extortionate ticket prices are probably due to alcohol. Far more people over here drink alcohol at raves than take drugs and our legal drinking age is much lower so the venue itself will charge more because they know that they probably aren't going to get as much comeback from ravers on drugs.

Not making this an anti-drug thing at all here. My views if anything are probably quite the opposite!

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u may doubt it, but you're wrong. when Brisk came to Texas for Future Fest in 2009, he was paid $12,000 USD. and that was just for a hardcore dj, and the room he played wasn't a very big room. they paid showtek close to $20,000 USD. you fail to realize that most of the DJs that are booked as headliners here in the US aren't local, or even national djs. so you have to factor in hotel expenses and travel expenses.

EDIT: and in the case of Tiesto, big egos

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Have you got any proof of this?

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my good friend works directly with Massive Intent, the promoters who created Future Fest. and you're also forgetting that the dollar is worth less than the pound, so translated that's about 7,500 pounds. Cost of living is more in the UK than it is in the US.

AND djs in the UK probably charge less because there is no shortage of hardcore djs there. if one dj charges too much, there's little to no harm in going for a less expensive, but still well-known dj. here in the US we don't have that luxury we have to get the big names in order to guarantee a big crowd for that genre. if you still don't believe it, then you're just plain ignorant.

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

There's no need to call me names just because I didn't believe you. Clearly we've both heard contrasting pieces of information and instead of coming to a conclusion all you do is call me ignorant yet your source of information is your friend. Come on, if you can't answer properly then don't answer at all, I'm ill at the moment and could really do without people yelling at me and calling me ignorant. Chill out.

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Originally posted by Lilley:

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

There's no need to call me names just because I didn't believe you. Clearly we've both heard contrasting pieces of information and instead of coming to a conclusion all you do is call me ignorant yet your source of information is your friend. Come on, if you can't answer properly then don't answer at all, I'm ill at the moment and could really do without people yelling at me and calling me ignorant. Chill out.

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grow a thicker skin. Being told you are ignorant is not being yelled at or being called names.

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Originally posted by latininxtc:

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Originally posted by latininxtc:
[quote]Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Not sure how this contributes to the theory but Candyball in New York has had some wicked DJs over the years. I'm sure sc@r will back me up on that. Can't speak for the rest of the US though as I don't know much about it. For most raves over there they seem to have mixed genres over the night so like 1 hour trance, 1 hour hardcore, 1 hour drum n bass. and yet their ticket prices are ridiculously expensive. If a standard 9-10 hour hardcore night over here was over £10 I would wonder who's on the lineup to make it so special, no way would I pay $40 or whatnot just to hear 1 hour of hardcore and maybe even have to endure 1 hour of dubstep and so on too!

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the tickets are ridiculously expensive at the largest events b/c it helps cover the cost of the headliners. most events are multi-room events. most of the time each room will cater to a specific genre. in each room they'll have a headliner who's cost is more than 10,000. and then the rest of the djs are local or less well-known djs.

as far as the 1hr per genre thing goes, i don't hear many of those around where i live. but, the rave i went to awhile back did have that system for the main room, seeing as it was the largest room and all the other rooms were probably 1/2 or less the size of it, it seemed fair to give every genre some coverage like that. but there was hardcore and all other genres being played in the other 2 rooms throughout the night.

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I'm telling you now, I highly doubt it costs $10,000 to book even tiesto let alone a headliner. You're looking at the thousands dollar range at best, and that would really surprise me. We have multi room events too and the tickets aren't that expensive. raver baby was the equivilent of about $35 and had headliners from start to finish plus a few other headliners scattered across other arenas. If I were to take a guess I would say that your extortionate ticket prices are probably due to alcohol. Far more people over here drink alcohol at raves than take drugs and our legal drinking age is much lower so the venue itself will charge more because they know that they probably aren't going to get as much comeback from ravers on drugs.

Not making this an anti-drug thing at all here. My views if anything are probably quite the opposite!
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u may doubt it, but you're wrong. when Brisk came to Texas for Future Fest in 2009, he was paid $12,000 USD. and that was just for a hardcore dj, and the room he played wasn't a very big room. they paid showtek close to $20,000 USD. you fail to realize that most of the DJs that are booked as headliners here in the US aren't local, or even national djs. so you have to factor in hotel expenses and travel expenses.

EDIT: and in the case of Tiesto, big egos

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Have you got any proof of this? I just find it really, really unlikely. Maybe less unlikely for tiesto because he sits on a big wage constantly but I've never heard of a hardcore DJ bringing that much money in. For a standard hardcore night in the UK Darren Styles just touches the £1000 maybe going a few quid over. Even allowing for going abroad I can't imagine him reaching the $10,000 mark and he's one of the most expensive if not the most expensive person in hardcore to book at the moment.

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Originally posted by latininxtc:

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Not sure how this contributes to the theory but Candyball in New York has had some wicked DJs over the years. I'm sure sc@r will back me up on that. Can't speak for the rest of the US though as I don't know much about it. For most raves over there they seem to have mixed genres over the night so like 1 hour trance, 1 hour hardcore, 1 hour drum n bass. and yet their ticket prices are ridiculously expensive. If a standard 9-10 hour hardcore night over here was over £10 I would wonder who's on the lineup to make it so special, no way would I pay $40 or whatnot just to hear 1 hour of hardcore and maybe even have to endure 1 hour of dubstep and so on too!

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the tickets are ridiculously expensive at the largest events b/c it helps cover the cost of the headliners. most events are multi-room events. most of the time each room will cater to a specific genre. in each room they'll have a headliner who's cost is more than 10,000. and then the rest of the djs are local or less well-known djs.

as far as the 1hr per genre thing goes, i don't hear many of those around where i live. but, the rave i went to awhile back did have that system for the main room, seeing as it was the largest room and all the other rooms were probably 1/2 or less the size of it, it seemed fair to give every genre some coverage like that. but there was hardcore and all other genres being played in the other 2 rooms throughout the night.

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I'm telling you now, I highly doubt it costs $10,000 to book even tiesto let alone a headliner. You're looking at the thousands dollar range at best, and that would really surprise me. We have multi room events too and the tickets aren't that expensive. raver baby was the equivilent of about $35 and had headliners from start to finish plus a few other headliners scattered across other arenas. If I were to take a guess I would say that your extortionate ticket prices are probably due to alcohol. Far more people over here drink alcohol at raves than take drugs and our legal drinking age is much lower so the venue itself will charge more because they know that they probably aren't going to get as much comeback from ravers on drugs.

Not making this an anti-drug thing at all here. My views if anything are probably quite the opposite!
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u may doubt it, but you're wrong. when Brisk came to Texas for Future Fest in 2009, he was paid $12,000 USD. and that was just for a hardcore dj, and the room he played wasn't a very big room. they paid showtek close to $20,000 USD. you fail to realize that most of the DJs that are booked as headliners here in the US aren't local, or even national djs. so you have to factor in hotel expenses and travel expenses.

EDIT: and in the case of Tiesto, big egos

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Have you got any proof of this? I just find it really, really unlikely. Maybe less unlikely for tiesto because he sits on a big wage constantly but I've never heard of a hardcore DJ bringing that much money in. For a standard hardcore night in the UK Darren Styles just touches the £1000 maybe going a few quid over. Even allowing for going abroad I can't imagine him reaching the $10,000 mark and he's one of the most expensive if not the most expensive person in hardcore to book at the moment.

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How do you know what styles makes for a gig? plus whats an average hardcore night? Playing in a club or a big event like slammin,h.t.i.d e.t.c

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There's no need to call me names just because I didn't believe you. Clearly we've both heard contrasting pieces of information and instead of coming to a conclusion all you do is call me ignorant yet your source of information is your friend. Come on, if you can't answer properly then don't answer at all, I'm ill at the moment and could really do without people yelling at me and calling me ignorant. Chill out.

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grow a thicker skin. Being told you are ignorant is not being yelled at or being called names.

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Being called ignorant is being called names - it's being called ignorant. It doesn't get much simpler than that. Believing people should 'grow a thicker skin' is no excuse for being rude. Manners do not cost anything!

Also had a word with my friend who IS a promoter over there and has done some huge events, he said you're looking at an average of $2000 for an international hardcore headliner. If it was really $10,000 you'd have hardcore DJs over there constantly because who wouldn't pass up that cash.

Whoever it was who got told it was $10,000: either your friend likes to exxagerate or a lot of unaccounted for cash is going right into someones pocket. You can make the decision on that.

However, $2000 is a lot of money to a promoter, they won't pay it out for nothing, and while I'm sure many promoters over there DO pay the money correctly, from an international DJs perspective would you really want to travel all that way just to be short changed out of cash? The reason you're likely to find more internationals at bigger events is because they are more likely to actually pay the DJs as opposed to smaller nights that can't pay for themselves and try to wriggle out of paying.

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

There's no need to call me names just because I didn't believe you. Clearly we've both heard contrasting pieces of information and instead of coming to a conclusion all you do is call me ignorant yet your source of information is your friend. Come on, if you can't answer properly then don't answer at all, I'm ill at the moment and could really do without people yelling at me and calling me ignorant. Chill out.

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grow a thicker skin. Being told you are ignorant is not being yelled at or being called names.

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Being called ignorant is being called names - it's being called ignorant. It doesn't get much simpler than that. Believing people should 'grow a thicker skin' is no excuse for being rude. Manners do not cost anything!

Also had a word with my friend who IS a promoter over there and has done some huge events, he said you're looking at an average of $2000 for an international hardcore headliner. If it was really $10,000 you'd have hardcore DJs over there constantly because who wouldn't pass up that cash.

Whoever it was who got told it was $10,000: either your friend likes to exxagerate or a lot of unaccounted for cash is going right into someones pocket. You can make the decision on that.

However, $2000 is a lot of money to a promoter, they won't pay it out for nothing, and while I'm sure many promoters over there DO pay the money correctly, from an international DJs perspective would you really want to travel all that way just to be short changed out of cash? The reason you're likely to find more internationals at bigger events is because they are more likely to actually pay the DJs as opposed to smaller nights that can't pay for themselves and try to wriggle out of paying.

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Being called ignorant is a character evaluation. Being called a douchebag is being called names. agree with Lilley grow a thicker skin because there are far worse things that ppl can call you out there than being called ignorant. just look at what ppl call smoogie!

your source may be more credible than mine, but it sounds less plausible. more than 1/2 of that will go to hotel expenses and travel expenses, so the actual DJing payoff is less than $1,000? yea that's way off. the only way i can see an int'l hardcore dj is booked for that price is if they're in the middle of a US tour, and it's a dj with less yrs experience than Brisk. probably someone from Australia, more likely Canada.

i seriously don't believe some1 like Hixxy, Darren Styles and even Dougal and Gammer, who cover a more commercial side of hardcore, would be booked for that price. also, when these djs get booked for a US gig, they miss being booked for at least 2 gigs back home. you have to make it worth their while to come to the US, and somehow compensate them monetarily on those possible missed gigs.

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when Brisk came to Texas for Future Fest in 2009, he was paid $12,000 USD. and that was just for a hardcore dj, and the room he played wasn't a very big room.

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So then how much is it Brisk?

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