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atomsk
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 Posted - 2010/11/30 : 06:19:58
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Originally posted by JustIncredible:
I agree with almost everything there on a desktop point of view, but he's asking for a laptop which he can browse the web and and not worry about viruses which it will be perfect for and if he has that much cash to burn he'd be better off buying a Mac rather than a laptop that will either be a) absolutely shit or b) to much 'system' for what he actually wants it for.
At first I thought you knew what you were talking about, until "not worry about viruses".. ****, Mac Os can get viruses, why dont people understand that!? There are many commands you can use to royal **** a Mac user. Its called "sudo rm -rf/" It deletes all the files and shit. You can make a ".avi" force a new codec, make it get it from a site you own, download a bash file, have the user run it, then it will do the "sudo rm -rf/". The reason why it would work like that is, most mac users believe "Macs cant get viruses huurrr derrr" so they go along with it and yeah.
I have nothing against Osx, just what Apple has made it into. If you want a Mac, build you a freaking Hackintosh. You can make the same as the higher up models for cheaper...
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/11/30 : 07:05:45
From what ive read macs are very easy to hack into, but to get a virus that spreads is very uncommon.
A quote from there: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/questions-for-pwn2own-hacker-charlie-miller/2941
Why Safari? Why didnt you go after IE or Safari?
Its really simple. Safari on the Mac is easier to exploit. The things that Windows do to make it harder (for an exploit to work), Macs dont do. Hacking into Macs is so much easier. You dont have to jump through hoops and deal with all the anti-exploit mitigations youd find in Windows.
Its more about the operating system than the (target) program. Firefox on Mac is pretty easy too. The underlying OS doesnt have anti-exploit stuff built into it.
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DarrenJ
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Posted - 2010/11/30 : 07:09:38
Just dont get a acer lol
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2010/11/30 : 07:56:06
there is nothing wrong with acer, i've had mine for 3 years now, it was a power house then, and still is quite high spec by today's standards!
when are people going to learn its mainly down to whats inside - spec wise, and not the branding. (and of course, how the keyboard feels - Sony in the past have been useless making keyboards, trying to make them as flat as possible, placing the touchpad buttons waaay too close to the edge, a retarded amount of pre-installed ad stuff for themselves and it takes aaaaages to remove (more than other manufacturers)
the last is more of an irritant than anything lol
if you buy low end, you're going to get shitty low end quality!
in my years as a technician we actually had more problems because of a design flaw with toshiba's - the older ones had a gap just after the heatsink where it just filled up with dust and crap and eventually choked the CPU of air requiring a dis-assembly and clean - i'm pretty sure they've fixed that particular issue by now though.
of the big boys i would be looking at an Acer, HP, Dell
and avoiding Lenovo, Compaq, gateway and toshiba.
of course, higher end ones are more than likely going to be ok, but those first three dont usually have higher end ones as they are brands owned by the higher ends that sell specifically to the bottom end of the market
then kit yourself out with
2+gb of ram
250gb+ of hard drive
higher end i3 or mid range i5 processor / AMD Phenom II X4 or Turion II DC
your second response on this thread was a really good one (JayHH86)!
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2010/11/30 : 09:18:56
I've had an Acer to run Serato for a couple of years now and have had no issues. Runs well and has never crashed. Had an IBM thinkpad before that which always worked well but that was quite a while back.
First thing I'd do is ask yourself if you actually really need a laptop. Think of the beast of a desktop you could get with that cash. 8) Far too many people have laptops that never leave their home!
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/11/30 : 12:05:53
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and avoiding Lenovo, Compaq, gateway and toshiba.
Intresting that you mention Lenovo, 'cause thats probably the most recommended laptop by techsupport people. Think all the laptops in our office are Lenovos. But their pretty highly priced compared to others. Though it might be that they just inherited the reputation from IBM without actually earning it.
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Posted - 2010/11/30 : 12:36:57
to be fair, the only reason i said lenovo was because the ones that we used to sell were terrible (purely from a repair point of view, the design was horrible to get into) - also its likely that we only stocked lower end ones with bad spec - so perhaps best to retract my statment on lenovo pending further investigation? :P
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JustIncredible
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Posted - 2010/11/30 : 12:38:05
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Originally posted by atomsk:
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Originally posted by JustIncredible:
I agree with almost everything there on a desktop point of view, but he's asking for a laptop which he can browse the web and and not worry about viruses which it will be perfect for and if he has that much cash to burn he'd be better off buying a Mac rather than a laptop that will either be a) absolutely shit or b) to much 'system' for what he actually wants it for.
At first I thought you knew what you were talking about, until "not worry about viruses".. ****, Mac Os can get viruses, why dont people understand that!?
Just generally not worry, besides it's not like Macs can't get anti-virus programs. As for AVI files 'forcing' you to download that's impossible they might tell you to update the codec with a 'go here to download the latest codec' but AVI files can't actually download files by itself. All viruses on Macs are avoidable with a bit common sense as all viruses need to be triggered by the user whereas on Windows you can get viruses from pretty much anything.
It's just as easy to wipe Windows files anyway plus it's 1000x more common to do so. I'd be more worried about getting viruses on a regular Windows based OS than on a Mac.
To be honest I don't even use ant-virus programs any more on any OS. I know the sites I use and I know that they're safe.
I'm not a Mac fan by any means, I'm just offering my unbiased opinion.
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2010/11/30 : 15:25:18
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Originally posted by JustIncredible:
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Originally posted by atomsk:
quote:
Originally posted by JustIncredible:
I agree with almost everything there on a desktop point of view, but he's asking for a laptop which he can browse the web and and not worry about viruses which it will be perfect for and if he has that much cash to burn he'd be better off buying a Mac rather than a laptop that will either be a) absolutely shit or b) to much 'system' for what he actually wants it for.
At first I thought you knew what you were talking about, until "not worry about viruses".. ****, Mac Os can get viruses, why dont people understand that!?
Just generally not worry, besides it's not like Macs can't get anti-virus programs. As for AVI files 'forcing' you to download that's impossible they might tell you to update the codec with a 'go here to download the latest codec' but AVI files can't actually download files by itself. All viruses on Macs are avoidable with a bit common sense as all viruses need to be triggered by the user whereas on Windows you can get viruses from pretty much anything.
It's just as easy to wipe Windows files anyway plus it's 1000x more common to do so. I'd be more worried about getting viruses on a regular Windows based OS than on a Mac.
To be honest I don't even use ant-virus programs any more on any OS. I know the sites I use and I know that they're safe.
I'm not a Mac fan by any means, I'm just offering my unbiased opinion.
You're still more likely to get the virus' common on Window OS' on a Mac, as any computer. They will not effect your computer, as they are specifically engineered to exploit a different OS, but if you were to transfer a file(s) to another computer that is Windows based, you can infect said computer.
While, yes, for now, it is not common to get virus' on Mac OS, for the simple fact the market isn't big enough yet. No OS is safe, and they never will be, the only reason Mac OS is so "safe" for now is because Windows still dominates the entire market. Once that shifts, whenever that happens, if that even includes Mac OS or not, so will the virus'.
It's common courtesy to have an Anti-Virus on a Mac computer and run it on files you are switching to someone else's computer.
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Posted - 2010/12/01 : 21:02:11
nortin has already made software for macs for antivirus look it up ppl
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 00:10:29
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nortin has already made software for macs for antivirus look it up ppl
Ew, Norton.
People still use that?
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DJ Lawlzy
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 00:12:49
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
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Originally posted by ozmium:
nortin has already made software for macs for antivirus look it up ppl
Ew, Norton.
People still use that?
More like it still uses people haha
but yeah you're better off with NO antivirus than with Norton.
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 07:49:30
what sucks is that Kaspersky went the same way - i used to swear by kaspersky then it for to version 10, and i was getting a little concerned by how clunky it was getting...then 11 came out and i had to eventually uninstall and break-up with my fan-boyness of it. :( sad times. i now have avira, which seems to be doing a fine job without whoreing all over my resources!
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ozmium
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Posted - 2010/12/03 : 19:15:56
you know what really sucks is that free anti viruses are more effective then paid ones becouse if you are looking to bypass one if you have a virus you are going to the big producers like mcafee or nortin i use one called spybot and malware bites even tho i can get like any anti virus i want
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Posted - 2010/12/03 : 21:35:49
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you know what really sucks is that free anti viruses are more effective then paid ones
Too bad thats just ********. I use F-secure, their response time is one of the best in the world. Ive ues it for over 5 years and thats the last time ive had to give a second thought about security. I routinely install free anri virus and firewall programs to my friends and other computers and they dont come even close.
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