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Hard2Get
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 Posted - 2010/12/22 : 00:23:52
LOL at that image whispering.
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JayHH86
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Posted - 2010/12/22 : 04:20:18
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
I thought there's drugs that aren't as "pure", they're mixed with cheap shit so that they can still call it the drug it is and make a profit, but it's mixed with "filler" material.
unless you're getting v. good v. clean stuff which will set you back a lot of money, almost every drug is going to have various binding agents in it just like pharmecuticals do with their medication. These will probably be cheaper than pressing pills with washing power or cutting coke with bleach or something. The whole 'cut with dodgy stuff' thing is basically blown out of proportion to keep you away from drugs.
I am going to sound like a massive conspiracy theorist hippie saying this but the evidence is in this thread and so many others across the internet:
The fact that people who are in the know about drugs can provide solid proof backed up with facts, experiences and so on to those who don't know and STILL those who don't know continue to refuse and deny is a live demonstration of just how brainwashed they've been by the government, teachers etc. who will do ANYTHING to keep you away from them. A lot of drugs really open your mind and they want to stop that at any and all costs. Let's be honest, alcohol does not open people's minds so of course it's legal. Acid, MDMA, Shrooms, anything that alters your perception on the world hasn't got a chance. DMT is one of the most illegal drugs out there and if you ask anyone about their experience with it, most of them will say it changed their life completely, no government wants that.
That reminds me of this re-ranked list of most harmful drugs that was compiled a few years ago and it makes a lot more sense than what we're told in school / by the government (which should never be taken as the truth anyway) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6474053.stm
I remember this. And I also remember a programme on the BBC about a year or so after this - detailing a series of hypothetical reclassifications of drugs by scientists who'd been researching drugs with an open mind for a few years.
I also remember a government adviser scientist being sacked for saying "Literally, horse riding is statistically far more dangerous than taking ecstasy every weekend". Obviously it was a huge surprise when he was sacked a week later. He was actively pushing for ecstasy to not only be reclassified - but to not even be considered illegal.
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Posted - 2010/12/22 : 06:18:02
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Originally posted by JayHH86:
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
I thought there's drugs that aren't as "pure", they're mixed with cheap shit so that they can still call it the drug it is and make a profit, but it's mixed with "filler" material.
unless you're getting v. good v. clean stuff which will set you back a lot of money, almost every drug is going to have various binding agents in it just like pharmecuticals do with their medication. These will probably be cheaper than pressing pills with washing power or cutting coke with bleach or something. The whole 'cut with dodgy stuff' thing is basically blown out of proportion to keep you away from drugs.
I am going to sound like a massive conspiracy theorist hippie saying this but the evidence is in this thread and so many others across the internet:
The fact that people who are in the know about drugs can provide solid proof backed up with facts, experiences and so on to those who don't know and STILL those who don't know continue to refuse and deny is a live demonstration of just how brainwashed they've been by the government, teachers etc. who will do ANYTHING to keep you away from them. A lot of drugs really open your mind and they want to stop that at any and all costs. Let's be honest, alcohol does not open people's minds so of course it's legal. Acid, MDMA, Shrooms, anything that alters your perception on the world hasn't got a chance. DMT is one of the most illegal drugs out there and if you ask anyone about their experience with it, most of them will say it changed their life completely, no government wants that.
That reminds me of this re-ranked list of most harmful drugs that was compiled a few years ago and it makes a lot more sense than what we're told in school / by the government (which should never be taken as the truth anyway) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6474053.stm
I remember this. And I also remember a programme on the BBC about a year or so after this - detailing a series of hypothetical reclassifications of drugs by scientists who'd been researching drugs with an open mind for a few years.
I also remember a government adviser scientist being sacked for saying "Literally, horse riding is statistically far more dangerous than taking ecstasy every weekend". Obviously it was a huge surprise when he was sacked a week later. He was actively pushing for ecstasy to not only be reclassified - but to not even be considered illegal.
****ing awesome doco, watched it the other week ;)
http://www.sprword.com/videos/isalcoholworsethanecstasy/
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/12/22 : 14:42:04
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I also remember a government adviser scientist being sacked for saying "Literally, horse riding is statistically far more dangerous than taking ecstasy every weekend". Obviously it was a huge surprise when he was sacked a week later. He was actively pushing for ecstasy to not only be reclassified - but to not even be considered illegal.
Yeah i remember that, legend. Regarding the alcohol vs ecstasy discussion, well it's quite clear that ecstasy is considerably worse so it's not really a valid argument. If people consumed it several times a week like people do alcohol then they would soon run into a lot of trouble.
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Posted - 2010/12/22 : 16:14:01
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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I also remember a government adviser scientist being sacked for saying "Literally, horse riding is statistically far more dangerous than taking ecstasy every weekend". Obviously it was a huge surprise when he was sacked a week later. He was actively pushing for ecstasy to not only be reclassified - but to not even be considered illegal.
Yeah i remember that, legend. Regarding the alcohol vs ecstasy discussion, well it's quite clear that ecstasy is considerably worse so it's not really a valid argument. If people consumed it several times a week like people do alcohol then they would soon run into a lot of trouble.
What about the guy who did 25 pills a day for 9 years?? He's still alive to tell the tale, little bit of mental damage here and there but still. Thing is with alcohol is that it makes a lot of people violent not just when they're out with their mates but also in their homes with their family. I don't even think it'd be possible for a fight to break out with people on mdma. Not to mention you're far more in control of your actions and thoughts rolling than when you are drunk.
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/12/22 : 17:16:12
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
What about the guy who did 25 pills a day for 9 years?? He's still alive to tell the tale, little bit of mental damage here and there but still. Thing is with alcohol is that it makes a lot of people violent not just when they're out with their mates but also in their homes with their family. I don't even think it'd be possible for a fight to break out with people on mdma. Not to mention you're far more in control of your actions and thoughts rolling than when you are drunk.
Often its not the alcohol but the steroids that make people violent, and you cant really blame that on alcohol. There are studies that low glucose levels, high sugar diet etc are the reasons for the violence. So even a person with bad temper could handle hes/her anger with proper diet.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/12/22 : 19:45:09
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
What about the guy who did 25 pills a day for 9 years?? He's still alive to tell the tale, little bit of mental damage here and there but still. Thing is with alcohol is that it makes a lot of people violent not just when they're out with their mates but also in their homes with their family. I don't even think it'd be possible for a fight to break out with people on mdma. Not to mention you're far more in control of your actions and thoughts rolling than when you are drunk.
Often its not the alcohol but the steroids that make people violent, and you cant really blame that on alcohol. There are studies that low glucose levels, high sugar diet etc are the reasons for the violence. So even a person with bad temper could handle hes/her anger with proper diet.
even so, it's a risk you don't take with MDMA
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/12/22 : 19:49:12
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So even a person with bad temper could handle hes/her anger with proper diet.
Absolutely. It annoys me that people seem think that the diet actually makes no difference to anything, how retarded do you have to be, really. As for alcohol, no it is obviously not the fault of alcohol. They know how it makes them act and they still continue to drink, that makes them complete bastards imo.
The argument between what's healthy and what's not is pointless anyway, they are all really bad for the health, i think we can all agree on that. Alcohol is not less ethical than MDMA and heroin is not less ethical than alcohol, in reality, so there isn't anything you need to explain. Just admit that what you do is unhealthy because that's one thing it certainly is. You don't need to make yourself feel better about what you do by claiming it is more healthy than what so many people already do (not aiming this at anyone in particular).
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/12/22 : 19:53:59
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even so, it's a risk you don't take with MDMA
Yea, because theres so many researches done on pill takers :P
Just now a news piece was posted on my local news papers site. They did a research on 9000 people (6000 finns), of those 98 had a gene fault (all but one of those were finns, one was an american with finnish heritage) of those 98, 17 were alcoholic violent criminals. Apparently the gene fault factors to about 8% of the drunken violence in here. The study will fully be on Nature journal tomorrow. That study gives similar light then the ones ive read before. Some people have lower glucose levels easier and are more prone to violence as a result.
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It annoys me that people seem think that the diet actually makes no difference to anything, how retarded do you have to be, really. As for alcohol, no it is obviously not the fault of alcohol. They know how it makes them act and they still continue to drink, that makes them complete bastards imo.
Couldnt agree more.
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Posted - 2010/12/22 : 22:28:02
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I could not agree with that more, I think you are my new favourite person here :3
I love you too.
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It's nice to know that every time I come back to read this thread - that's all I have to do, read - because you consistently make the effort to type out all the lengthy (but completely correct) counter arguments that I can't be bothered too. You do good work.
Lol this has happened with me several times and other users. It's so great not to have to make the effort it really is.
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Tony Porn
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Posted - 2010/12/22 : 22:31:50
done lots of speed!...im waitng for some watnings:)
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