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TheOneNOnly
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 Posted - 2011/02/11 : 20:15:05
Since I haven't seen this mentioned here yet, what is everyone's point of view of what's happening within good 'ol Egypt?
For anyone not in the know, the populace of Egypt over the past weeks have been protesting against the (former) President of Egypt, Hosni Mubarak. A state of emergency has been declared in Egypt since 1967, except for a break in 1980, and has been extended for three years every year since then.
The populace started to react towards, what they claimed, was the Dictatorship of Mubarak, and wanted him out of the government and to force him to resign. Mubarak stood his ground through it all, but today he announced he resigned (through the Vice President), and all powers where transferred over to the military. Mubarak while in power tried to silenced the protests, and even went to the extreme of shutting down all internet providers throughout the country to try to stop the protesters from organizing. However it came at a point that it was pretty worthless, as they where already organized, and did nothing but anger everyone even more.
Some people are a little worried about who might take over the government from this point on. Things such as radical Islamic organizations taking over has been brought up, and other points of view. So I was just curious what you all think about everything that has happened, and what you believe will happen in the future to come for Egypt?
I'm hoping a new democratic, possibly semi-presidential, system will take hold and Egypt can return to a peaceful state. Worse comes to worse, some other person comes in to seize power, and uses it in all the wrong ways. Hopefully things work out for the best, and am very glad the protests didn't need to turn into violence to resolve the issue.
If you wish to read about everything that happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Egyptian_protests
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 Posted - 2011/02/11 : 22:08:15
Good on them is what I say.
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Posted - 2011/02/12 : 00:11:17
I don't understand why he transferred powers over to the military instead of the VP, considering he was already relinguishing some power to him already according to his statement last night or a couple nights ago. that is the part that worries me
a friend of mine mentioned that he believes that egypt will go the way of liberia when their president was overthrown, but considering on what a commercial success egypt has been as far as tourism and trade, then there will be plenty of countries out there that will have an influence on what is to become of egypt's new government, including the US
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Posted - 2011/02/12 : 00:37:16
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
I don't understand why he transferred powers over to the military instead of the VP, considering he was already relinguishing some power to him already according to his statement last night or a couple nights ago. that is the part that worries me
a friend of mine mentioned that he believes that egypt will go the way of liberia when their president was overthrown, but considering on what a commercial success egypt has been as far as tourism and trade, then there will be plenty of countries out there that will have an influence on what is to become of egypt's new government, including the US
The military played a part in turning his hand into stepping down in the first place. And that is only because Washington was putting pressure on the military since the protests started. I highly doubt anything will happen because of the military, simply because they played such a neutral part throughout it all. Unlike other countries *cough*Pakistan*cough* where the Military tries to exercise their power on protests and attack the people, the Egyptian military stood their ground in keeping everything peaceful.
If anything, some group will force their way into power before the military does anything.
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Posted - 2011/02/12 : 00:44:22
The Vice President is one of Mulbarak's lackeys anyway so with him in charge the people would have still protested.
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Posted - 2011/02/12 : 05:02:53
It's brilliant. Regardless of what happens to Egypt, it's already forced another Arab regimes to declare massive reforms because they're shitting themselves it'll happen to them to after Tunisians and Egyptians have put their governments in the places.
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Posted - 2011/02/12 : 09:57:06
I personally think it's awesome for them...kind of curious what's going to happen to Mubarak. Also curious as to if King Abdullah will do anything
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Posted - 2011/02/12 : 12:57:43
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Originally posted by Brian K:
I personally think it's awesome for them...kind of curious what's going to happen to Mubarak. Also curious as to if King Abdullah will do anything
Last I heard he had over $2 Billion dollars in his back pocket, I think he'll be good.
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It's brilliant. Regardless of what happens to Egypt, it's already forced another Arab regimes to declare massive reforms because they're shitting themselves it'll happen to them to after Tunisians and Egyptians have put their governments in the places.
Not necessarily true, they're more likely to use the military brute force card against the people. So unless the military suddenly decides to turn against the government, they'll be in a good power seat unless revolts get massive violence.
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Posted - 2011/02/12 : 23:54:24
It's good only if the country really DOES change. I just hope that all the 'power to the people' types are still impressed with themselves when there's a new government in place, especially when nobody really knows who it's going to be - new government doesn't necessarily mean better country.
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Posted - 2011/02/12 : 23:56:08
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
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Originally posted by Brian K:
I personally think it's awesome for them...kind of curious what's going to happen to Mubarak. Also curious as to if King Abdullah will do anything
Last I heard he had over $2 Billion dollars in his back pocket, I think he'll be good.
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Originally posted by jenks:
It's brilliant. Regardless of what happens to Egypt, it's already forced another Arab regimes to declare massive reforms because they're shitting themselves it'll happen to them to after Tunisians and Egyptians have put their governments in the places.
Not necessarily true, they're more likely to use the military brute force card against the people. So unless the military suddenly decides to turn against the government, they'll be in a good power seat unless revolts get massive violence.
It's already happened.
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Posted - 2011/02/13 : 01:40:35
Great to feel the people's need of liberation in such countries, but we'll have to accept the fact that the majority of these freedom-loving youngsters are more radical towards Israel than the dictators before. I don't want to defend Israel, but tmo we will have to look forward to a more difficult situation in this area.
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Posted - 2011/02/13 : 15:44:29
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Originally posted by Warnman:
Great to feel the people's need of liberation in such countries, but we'll have to accept the fact that the majority of these freedom-loving youngsters are more radical towards Israel than the dictators before. I don't want to defend Israel, but tmo we will have to look forward to a more difficult situation in this area.
I'm hoping the new government isn't violent towards Israel, that would be terrible.
Also: The military has dissolved the Parliament, and are suspending the constitution. It has potential to escalate, protesters are still not clearing from the city even though the Army wants them too. All it take is one person to start something for it to all go to hell.
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Posted - 2011/02/14 : 14:21:23
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Great to feel the people's need of liberation in such countries, but we'll have to accept the fact that the majority of these freedom-loving youngsters are more radical towards Israel than the dictators before. I don't want to defend Israel, but tmo we will have to look forward to a more difficult situation in this area.
Chances are pretty good that an Islamic government will be set up. It may be a radical group because they will get a large force of support from a group when everyone else still has their thumbs up their ass. However, if Egypt take the more moderate route, there may not be too much trouble but they will still be under political pressure from the Arab governments.
As for Israel, we don't really have to worry about them. They are a law unto themselves, a nation hell bent on survival. The only defence they know is attack. It is Egypt that has to watch out for Israel methinks.
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Posted - 2011/02/14 : 15:50:36
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Originally posted by Warnman:
Great to feel the people's need of liberation in such countries, but we'll have to accept the fact that the majority of these freedom-loving youngsters are more radical towards Israel than the dictators before. I don't want to defend Israel, but tmo we will have to look forward to a more difficult situation in this area.
Chances are pretty good that an Islamic government will be set up. It may be a radical group because they will get a large force of support from a group when everyone else still has their thumbs up their ass. However, if Egypt take the more moderate route, there may not be too much trouble but they will still be under political pressure from the Arab governments.
As for Israel, we don't really have to worry about them. They are a law unto themselves, a nation hell bent on survival. The only defence they know is attack. It is Egypt that has to watch out for Israel methinks.
Have to agree with the last part, all they've ever known is hostilities towards them. Here's hoping protests spring out elsewhere in those regions to have less crazy crackpot leaders.
Edit: Let me rephrase that. Less crazy crackpot leaders that can be voted in, and could just as easily be taken out.
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Posted - 2011/02/14 : 20:59:14
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Chances are pretty good that an Islamic government will be set up. It may be a radical group because they will get a large force of support from a group when everyone else still has their thumbs up their ass. However, if Egypt take the more moderate route, there may not be too much trouble but they will still be under political pressure from the Arab governments.
At the moment the population is way too active for fundamentalists to install an islamic regime through the back door. But people might cooperate with such groups after a voted government will not satisfy people's demand for a more aggresive policy against Israel.
And Israel's armed forces never have been as weak as they are today. Only the morons in charge with their finger on "the" button frighten off.
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Posted - 2011/02/14 : 21:23:54
Just wanted to share my granddad was Egyptian mum being half Egyptian and me well inheriting the Egyptian nose and eyes 
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