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meran05 Average Member
United Kingdom
233 posts Joined: Nov, 2005
Posted - 2011/04/18 : 19:15:08
Any1 seen his SOS on facebook.............
Got a good point !!!!!!!!
SAVE OUR SCENE !, what are you mad? just take a look around the world, its not just the uk that are on
3 day weeks and govenments puting austerity into practice, when you have bills to pay and a car to run and so on you have
to make cuts if you lose your job or go on 3 or 4 day weeks unfortunately sometime you have to cut back on the things
you love doing the most, the rave scene has its true hardcoree followers and you also have to understand that its also a
trend scene, and due to the massive publicity campaighn and the tv advertisemnt of CLUBLAND EXSTREAME, that boosted the sales of hardcore albums
and also boosted the dancefloor, so yeah you got into hardcore around 04/05 and thought ****in hell this is amazing,
cause it is, hardcore raves are unbeatable for atmosphhere, and now you have seen the scene lose roughly 30%
of the crowd, and there the trend ravers who have moved on to gabba or tec, and you think the scene is falling apart, OMG
its all over, slammin and htid are going bankrupt, soon there will be no more raves, SHUT UP AND WAKE UP.
You walked into a sence at its peak at its crest when even the toilets smelt nice, it was brand new and it was a world you never
new existed you was hearing sounds and wether synthetic or natural, the rush was and is amazing, you thought that it would last
forever, and it does its just the fact that now once again we are left with the true hardcore ravers, so now its up to the
promoters to find venues that suit are need and capacity, its a sign of the times, listen to what i say to you when your on
the dance floor, when i say , i know things are hard out there and things are tight but you still make hardcore your number one,
Hardcore is over, lol you doom mongerers are crazy there was going to be at least one thousand eight hundred ravers at the
WEEKENDER, what and were a dead scene, from new years eve up until right now ive been through my diary and ive played at 28
raves in 4 months, oh yes and ive have had ONE cancellation,
The WEEKENDER not going ahead has absoloutely done my head in, like yours, i know your so frustrated and
angry that we have had one of our favorite places taken away from us but to read some of the comments that were
on the PONTINS page was disgusting and a few people should be ashamed of themselves (or are you like that anyway?),
the amount of abuse was smething id never seen before (well not since the time i called ush.net abortion bucket dwellers,
ah those happy days lol)
you have to understand every thing thats goin on before you make an opinion and then say what you have to say
not go on like sheep following rumors flying round left, right and center,
and to be honest just imagine if we approach another holiday park with the same idea, ha there gonna say no way !
we heard about pontins and your lot behaved like animals and if thats the sort of thing they say on the net do you really
exspect us to let 2,000 in for the whole weekend, so nice one for that, p,l,u,r do you know the ****ing meaning of it ?
so it didnt go our way, **** me, other scene's are in far more hard times than us and we should be grateful to the
promoters who try and put on these big raves in holiday parks and spain and so on,
not attack them, if hardcore doesnt mean that much to you, then **** off and do something that does, simples.
Ive seen this happen twice now and it will happen again, the scene will gather momentum more people will come into the scene
as it grows again and a massive new albums released and some one says 'hey lets do a rave at alton towers' (you never know)
and then its hardcoretastic again. i must admit at the end of last year i was concerned that we might have just slipped
to much and i was worried we might not recover,but now the answer is a resounding YES,
looking forward i feel that scene has to shake this commercial feel to it, we need to get back to basics, you lot have had it
good there is no two ways about that and its time to see who really is into the lifestyle the attitude the music and
everythign else that comes with being a raver
cause lets face facts its not the easiest of lifestyles driving here meetin people there misssing trains and coaches but still
getting there, yes, havin to put up with bulll shit from security, havin storm tellin a to **** off ;)
BUT and yeah its a big BUT, thats the beauty of our life we belive in something that is real the feeling you feel are real,
you can see it ever weekend, hardcores got more to beleive in than GOD FFS, its better than goin up town with the same faces
you see all week at work or or round your area, its an escape, a passion and the best music scene in the world,
and it wouldnt be them same without ya, troop'as me love you, ;)
Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts Joined: May, 2004
341 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/04/18 : 20:58:22
Good read. And it's nice to see someone being postitive about the scene rather than negative. I really wish people would just cheer the fcuk up at times. This music was meant to be happy, "happy hardcore" you know, but some people seem to act like it's feckin emo music. Depressing bastards.
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Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,281 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/04/18 : 21:05:06
so what if it was called happy hardcore? it's effin electro music now, and we got ourselfs to for having hixxy and be big fellas trying out clubland xtreme and electro music. It's not wonder "hardcore's" lost 30% of the crowd, when they have started to notice that hardcore's just trying to copy other scenes (with less success compared to before)
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Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts Joined: May, 2004
341 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/04/18 : 21:09:28
You're missing my point. The scene has evolved from the "happy hardcore" era, most of the "fans" and artists, promoters and DJ's are from that same era yet most of the so called "fans" are so negative about it that they might as well listen to emo stuff. The scene has evolved and so has the attitudes of people, into negativity. It's a shame. If you don't like what the music has become then stop bitching about it all the time and either do something about it or move on. Stop dragging the rest of the people down with the negative attitudes.
/rant.
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"Maybe in a day and age in which even our rappers can't get to the end of a verse without having an existential crisis, we should find a place for happy hardcore"
djDMS Advanced Member
United Kingdom
10,304 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
572 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/04/18 : 21:16:55
I didn't need telling any of that!
Who are all these pussies that need constant reassurance from the 'big names' to tell them everything will be ok? To me, the state of the economy is only part of the problem - good excuse to deflect attention from everything else that's lacking though!
The point about people deserting to other genres is a good one, but history has always shown that there's usually others waiting to fill their places - i don't see these new ravers appearing though and THAT is what bothers me most.
I'm a realist, not a doom mongerer. I've lived through 4 or 5 incarnations of the Hardcore scene and i've ALWAYS been optimistic when there's been a lull - even when it's looked like there's been little to be positive about. I remain optimistic now, maybe not particularly about the music but just Hardcore in general.
Things have just plodded along for too long, something needs to happen to reinvigorate things.
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NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/04/18 : 21:23:22
I'm negative about 90% it because 90% of the time it's not happy. I got into the genre 'happy hardcore' because of the "happy" and I listen to the tunes nowadays and 90% of them aren't happy at all. Where's it all gone? I don't moan about the scene as much as I could because I figure other people are enjoying it and that's good but I don't see why the people who don't like it should be told to shut up all the time, our favorite type of music has been taken away from us, of course we aren't gonna be exactly pleased by the scene.
Happy Hardcore never branched off anywhere it just left it's heritage completely. I wouldn't mind if there was still the same kind of stuff coming out but alas it isn't so I sit there listening to CDs from the late 90s and people tell me to stop living in the past when I say I liked the older stuff better. How about no?! I'm not even old enough to be 'jaded' which speaks volumes about current hardcore imo
Warnman Advanced Member
Germany
2,677 posts Joined: Jun, 2010
Posted - 2011/04/18 : 22:46:12
Atm, people's taste of music is just a reflection of today's society: planless, unable to be crazy about sth seriously, lazy like a bone, unemotional, showing total lack of creativity and unwilling to invest anything in hope to earn sth more valuable (you might be faced up with sth worse instead).
I notice it every single day:
- how persons behave in a love relationships,
- how people look at you, if you're unlike mainstream,
- walking around like zombies 24/7/365 until end of life,
- bully so else, because this person is different,
- turn on radio/tv without seriously noticing what's on.
People are interested, when you show them new ways, but shortly afterwards they simply get back to their primary life style, because it is easier and more stress-free to be mainstream.
I'd rather commit suicide than to gain such a boring life. It's not worth getting old, only to notice you never have lived life in all its facets - beautiful and sad. Some might not even notice this.
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latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2011/04/18 : 22:56:13
The man may know how to get the crowd going, but he sure could use some grammar lessons. I had to stop reading after 4 lines.
But yes ppl bitch too much about the current condition of the scene. It would be far better if those whining about the current condition of the scene and what's being released out there to leave it altogether and take part in the genre that you are currently enjoying. no sense in dragging yourself and others into a cesspool of negativity
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acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,000 posts Joined: Apr, 2008
Posted - 2011/04/18 : 23:46:20
i hope hardcore declines allot more so we can have another renaissance of GOOD music... Not shabby produced sped up electro, as insemination said.
Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts Joined: May, 2004
341 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/04/18 : 23:47:15
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
But yes ppl bitch too much about the current condition of the scene. It would be far better if those whining about the current condition of the scene and what's being released out there to leave it altogether and take part in the genre that you are currently enjoying. no sense in dragging yourself and others into a cesspool of negativity
My point exactly.
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NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/04/19 : 12:07:22
trouble is finding another genre that is currently good is near impossible. I like so many different types of music and they're all so awful at the moment. I'm not trying to detract from your argument here, I do agree that those who don't like it shouldn't listen, but conversely for some of us there really is nothing good coming out at all. I'll use semi-modern examples here, not just "oh it was better in the early 90s" stuff
House used to be all about those hands in the air party moments that make you move, now it's gone all minimal and awful. No I'm not just listening to minimal house, this is what falls under the house umbrella nowadays. Compared to even the mainstream stuff from a few years ago (Eric Prydz - Call on Me) it's AWFUL.
Trance is the same story, used to be euphoric and have crazy hands in the air jump around moments, now it just drops into something minimal and electro.
The only genre that is actively coming out with good releases is psytrance although I don't like all the darkpsy, electro-psy and psychill stuff, not to mention I couldn't listen to psytrance all the time anyway.
So yeah, music is buggered. Can't even find anything I like in the niche genres.
Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2011/04/19 : 12:52:11
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
i hope hardcore declines allot more so we can have another renaissance of GOOD music... Not shabby produced sped up electro, as insemination said.
Yeah I have always said this. Only the commercial side can die, the underground side was always underground so there is nothing to die. As soon as there is no commercial success to be gained from making it (Hardcore) the sooner people will go back to actually making good music because they want to make good music.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,281 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/04/19 : 13:52:30
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
But yes ppl bitch too much about the current condition of the scene. It would be far better if those whining about the current condition of the scene and what's being released out there to leave it altogether and take part in the genre that you are currently enjoying. no sense in dragging yourself and others into a cesspool of negativity
My point exactly.
The problem is, I aint exactly enjoying the other genre's either, because like Neko said, how many are producing Happy Hardcore (or 2000-2004 styled Hardcore) today? So, tell me, what ****** genre should I start listening to? Hardstyle? jumpstyle?
latin: he starts to make more sense after the 4th line :P
Mortis: I think most of the people who left the scene where probably the ones that had started listening to hardcore from the genre's hardcore has been taking influences from.
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tru bass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,996 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2011/04/19 : 14:02:05
Screw hardcore.
The last thing I want is someone who can't write a proper sentence telling me that I should go to watch him play music I have no affinity for anymore 'for the good of the genre'.
"you lot have had it
good there is no two ways about that and its time to see who really is into the lifestyle the attitude the music and
everythign else that comes with being a raver "
What is that meant to mean?
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,640 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2011/04/19 : 14:23:13
correct me if i'm wrong...but isn't that whole rant coming from the guys who make their living on pushing the same acts whilst ignoring new talent? ;)
and of course pulled out of global gathering because global told them they couldnt sell their illegal tape packs :P
I agree though, what was said on the pontins facebook was very sad indeed, but i dont know if the rest of the rant was needed!
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