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toml123 New Member
United Kingdom
69 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2011/12/29 : 18:17:51
Since the early days of hardcore it was bouncy, HAPPY, full of vibe... up until 2011 when the producers decided... screw the ravers lets do dubcore and electrocore...... Thank god we still have the odd few DJ's who haven't turned insane yet! We need our hardcore Back!!
Ken Masters Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,447 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2011/12/29 : 18:39:50
I wouldn't hold your breath. Times are changing so either you embrace it or dig deeper into other genres cause it ain't getting better anytime soon im afraid.
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skarr Advanced Member
United Kingdom
527 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2011/12/29 : 19:51:48
People need top start calming down a bit about this whole 'dubcore' and 'electrocore' thing, people are acting as if it is the end of the world.Things need to progress and change or they will become stale and die out. There is still loads of 'proper' hardcore about and still loads of dj's playing it.Its just whats popular at the minute, it will come and go just like everything else.
From an extroverted point of view, I think its too late, Hip-Hop has never been the same since eighty-eight. Since it became a lucrative profession theres a misconception, That a movement in any direction is progression.
Too true, a movement in any direction is not progression.
Either way, what can we do? We have no right to tell producers what to make, I'd hate that as a producer - being told what to make. We either have to make it ourselves or wait until someone does it for us. That is the simple fact of it. Accept it, change it or leave it. Take your pick. It's a harsh reality, but it's reality all the same - they're music makers, not music taylors; unfortunately for some.
If you don't like that kind of Hardcore, I'd be happy to direct you to the Hardcore Underground side of things, where breakbeats, freeform and old uplifting can frolic freely over 4 CDs for approximately a tenner. As for the happier stuff, well I'm doing my best, as I'm sure others are too - we'll get there soon.
jenks Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,701 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
19 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/12/29 : 20:30:51
quote:Originally posted by toml123:
Since the early days of hardcore it was bouncy, HAPPY, full of vibe... up until 2011 when the producers decided... screw the ravers lets do dubcore and electrocore...... Thank god we still have the odd few DJ's who haven't turned insane yet! We need our hardcore Back!!
There are clearly loads of ravers who love that stuff. I'm not one of them, but then, there are loads of styles I don't like. And early hardcore bouncy? Na, it was breaks. I'm sure there were loads of ravers who hated the change to bouncy kick drums, this is really no different. When the sound changes there will always be those that like it and those that don't, but no one has been betrayed, no matter how disappointed with the change you are. Besides, as you say, the more mainstream producers are not the be all and end all of hardcore.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,281 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/12/29 : 20:40:35
breaks in a hardcore track? it's ok, rave breaks? wtf, its not hardcore.
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NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/29 : 20:53:41
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
breaks in a hardcore track? it's ok, rave breaks? wtf, its not hardcore.
Hardcore used to be 100% breaks
Alert moderatorEdited by - NekoShuffle on 2011/12/29 21:02:28
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/29 : 21:10:06
Also, music comes from passion. If you have a passion for old skool hardcore, make it. Because if you love it enough, you'll eventually make something wicked - whether it sounds old or new. I can't urge enough people to make music, once you get the hang of it your life will change for the better, I promise.
cruelcore1 Advanced Member
Croatia (Hrvatska)
1,485 posts Joined: May, 2010
Posted - 2011/12/29 : 22:15:25
With Dubcore and new Electrocore looks like my time is slowly passing out too. God I feel old. Though, those forms arent tht bad. After the new commercial style reaches enough popularity, hopefully many low-popularity badass stuff will come out of it just like they always do.
But this is what I dont understand. If HC scene hates modern influence so much, from where comes the illusion that you'll be rejected from HC scene if u make HHC and Bouncy HC?
Alert moderatorEdited by - cruelcore1 on 2011/12/29 22:16:05
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/29 : 22:56:05
quote:Originally posted by cruelcore1:
With Dubcore and new Electrocore looks like my time is slowly passing out too. God I feel old. Though, those forms arent tht bad. After the new commercial style reaches enough popularity, hopefully many low-popularity badass stuff will come out of it just like they always do.
But this is what I dont understand. If HC scene hates modern influence so much, from where comes the illusion that you'll be rejected from HC scene if u make HHC and Bouncy HC?
Exactly! It's so easy to get "famous" in hardcore that everyone seems to be under the impression you're doing it for that, so doing something different is 'daring'. It's not daring, it's what I love!
And yeah, in the Ron Hardy days of House (1986) they used to describe their stuff as hardcore. I think that's probably the problem when you use an adjective as your genre name. Hardcore's history is so fragmented I find myself generalising a lot so everyone can understand and then I have people picking me up on the little details.
Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts Joined: May, 2004
341 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/12/29 : 23:09:07
quote:Originally posted by toml123:
Since the early days of hardcore it was bouncy, HAPPY, full of vibe... up until 2011 when the producers decided... screw the ravers lets do dubcore and electrocore...... Thank god we still have the odd few DJ's who haven't turned insane yet! We need our hardcore Back!!
Times have changed, simple as. It's not a case of producers "screwing the ravers" it's a case of the producers making the music that the crowd want to hear. If people don't want to hear that style of music then they wont go to raves, the people who do want to hear that style will start going. It's called evolution.
I'm one of the ones who stopped listening to modern hardcore because I just hate the direction it's going in and I don't care for the music in the slightest but I understand that all things must change, grow and evolve. If they didn't we wouldn't be here right now talking on this forum. What you'll find is that the music hasn't changed that much more that you've gotten stuck in your ways.
Welcome to "it was all better in my day" group.
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