Luna-C Average Member
United Kingdom
222 posts Joined: Dec, 2004
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 00:04:51
Hardcore has sucked ever since the producers started following what was popular instead of making hardcore.
The problem with trancy hardcore was that there was already trance - and the trance producers were usually better at it.
The problem with electro hardcore is that there is already electro - and the electro producers are usually better at it.
The problem with dubstep hardcore is...well, you get the point.
Anyway, until people stop trying to chart and stop trying to do whatever the new sound is outside of hardcore, nothing will change. Not that its easy to do - the roots of hardcore are now so buried under the crap that its hard to even define the style at all.
Perhaps I am just old and bitter, ha ha. I just think hardcore should stop trying to be what its not, and what it never was. Of course, so much time has gone by that it would be hard to say what hardcore even is / was lol.
As for Gammer, sounds like he was having a laugh, but should have been more careful with his words because there are a lot of stupid people out there who listen to what he says. He shouldn't expect people to "get" him as nuance doesn't travel well online. I could say plenty of things about the scene that would make it sound like I was being an a-hole or attacking it, unless you actually knew me, and then you would know it wasn't meant like that. Like what I wrote above!
Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 00:24:51
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:I just think hardcore should stop trying to be what its not, and what it never was
Of course. But that wouldn't sell :P
I'm not sure that matters - it didn't matter when hardcore made money, why should it matter now when it doesn't? lolz.
Well that's was my point. The people making this stuff must think it matters (not me), or think that a lot of people liking it a bit but not really (in contrast to proper music that people really like a lot) is a good thing, either that or they are genuinly completely unimaginative. I couldn't disagree more with it, I'm just saying.
m0nst3r Senior Member
Australia
308 posts Joined: Oct, 2010
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 00:48:23
So i read like the first two pages of this thread and all i can say is way to take a drunken status way out of ****ing proportion.
Just because he's who he is doesn't mean hes not entitled to an opinion or to say something a little out of line sometimes.
Hes apologized for what he said, He's just a person like the rest of us. He's a brilliant Dj, a great producer, friend to lots of people, a husband and a dad...you shouldn't fly off the deep end and judge him.
cause none of us are ****ing saintly either.
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Archefluxx Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,120 posts Joined: Sep, 2011
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 00:59:50
I think one of my most used quotes when playing multiplayer FIFA against mates is "I swear down if you score last minute I'll ****ing kill you"
Taking Gammers words literally is a dumb thing to do really..
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 01:03:31
quote:Originally posted by Luna-C:
As for Gammer, sounds like he was having a laugh, but should have been more careful with his words because there are a lot of stupid people out there who listen to what he says. He shouldn't expect people to "get" him as nuance doesn't travel well online.
Dys7 Advanced Member
United States
1,231 posts Joined: Nov, 2011
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 01:06:35
quote:Originally posted by Archefluxx:
I think one of my most used quotes when playing multiplayer FIFA against mates is "I swear down if you score last minute I'll ****ing kill you"
Taking Gammers words literally is a dumb thing to do really..
You terrible person!
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NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 01:07:00
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
Dubsetp is better than 'UK Hardcore' it is no wonder they are pissed off, they are loosing all their fans as their scene got stale.
Stale?
Good track even though I don't like it. Lots of energy, however I don't like the fact that the drop sounds so similar to Skrillex's Remix of Cinema by Benni Benassi. I'm not sure if that's parody or what, also the build up is reallly similar to this too:
I bet it works well on the dancefloor, but while I don't think it's 'stale' I don't think it's particularly fresh either. What with all the electro influence.
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 03:00:21
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
ROFL. I found the comment about Wilky going to a rave to voice his oppinion face to face. Does Gammer need his posse for security just for someone to voice his head off?
lmao! that ain't happening, all his money goes to child support. that's if he even has any $$$ his dumbass is notorious for getting fired every other week.
Future_Shock Advanced Member
Australia
2,483 posts Joined: Apr, 2007
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 07:44:13
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
The reason I said it is because everyone is acting like I have no idea what Gammer is like and must be taking it seriously because I don't know him. The truth of the matter is that I do know what he's like because there's a good chance I've talked to him more than the accusers have. That's not arrogant or name dropping or whatever label you want to put on it - it's fact.
Wait wait wait.
It's FACT that there's a good chance you talk to gammer more than anyone else? That is the definition of name dropping and arrogance! You don't know how much ANY of us talk to gammer you only know how much you talk to him. Making an assumption based on no facts using his name is 100% name dropping. 100%. that's like the definition of it.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I appreciate people trying to defend him, but this isn't about me misunderstanding his intent or his character, this is about the fact that he should know better than to throw threats around that sound serious, because regardless of whether or not he would follow them up, there's hands-down proof he's just encouraged a bunch of other people to be violent - which in hardcore we REALLY don't need.
This makes me think you have no experience with people or the internet. This happens ALL THE TIME. If someone posted a comment on a youtube video and said 'neko i'm going to hit you in the face" you'd be a moron to take that seriously. seriously. As a test, next time someone over the other side of the world makes a vague faux threat in your direction, report it to the police and tell me what happens. I would honestly feel embarrassed doing that and can imagine the laughing.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Except if you looked at the status update comments you'll see that it DID encourage violence. That's the problem with saying that kind of thing in the hardcore scene, hardcore ravers are much more easily provoked than say, trance. It's bad enough having top deck vs bottom deck fights involving bottles being thrown, people getting punched and all sorts between the dnb and hardcore fans on the coach on the way to westfest, the last thing we need is more fighting between genres, it makes raves completely unsafe to attend and they're pretty dicey already.
Come on man, it hasn't done ANYTHING yet. You understand the difference between the internet and real life right? You realise it would be impossible to measure any increase in violence at raves because of this unless you literally stopped people fighting and asked them why they're fighting. And they'd have to respond with because of this status update. Do you not understand how ridiculous and far-fetched that is?
Like... this isn't even believable. I'm starting to think you're just trolling.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Dys7:
If I was Gammer I'd be so stressed right now. He honestly seems like a nice guy and here Neko is raving how he caused 9/11 and the Holocaust.
Stop being so hysterical. I made a point and backed it up with evidence because it was relevant. If you actually read my posts properly you'd understand exactly what I meant rather than choosing to hear the worst and jumping to conclusions about me.
You are BY FAR, without a doubt, the most hysterical person i've seen on the topic. Because of one status update you've apparently already lost all the respect you had for him. That is ridiculous. Are you incapable of admitting when you're wrong? Because you are.
Pretty much everyone except you has come to the conclusion that he wasn't serious. I saw the status update and he even said anyone who has taken it seriosly needs to lighten up and being hit by him would be akin to getting hit with a wilted leaf. But surely the first status was genuine and the second wasn't, right? Because there's no drama in the second.
You are ridiculous - i legitimately liked you before all this stupidity.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,221 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 08:48:01
since andy and neko keep fighting, im just going to ignore him, as they both got 2 completly different experienceses.
anyways, We Killed The Rave is basicly the BEST dubstep influenced hardcore track I know. Even when the dubstep part kicks in for real, it doesnt take long for the melody to blend in an take over. I will definitly buy this track if it ever gets a proper singl release.
And Andy, so just because it's the Internet, you/we are allowed to act like dicks? Free Speech is one thing, but threats, no matter how real they are or not, is another.
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jenks Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,698 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
19 hardcore releases
Posted - 2012/01/17 : 09:20:03
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
Dubsetp is better than 'UK Hardcore' it is no wonder they are pissed off, they are loosing all their fans as their scene got stale.
Stale?
Never heard anything like that before. I don't like it particulaly and it's a million miles to from what i know Hardcore to be but it's very good all the same. Very solid production. This is something people outside of the scene could actually take seriously, although to me that's not neccesarily a good thing.
I don't particularly love it (although it is growing on me), but if you take anything at all from Styles's mix on this compilation it's that the production quality is incredible. I've never heard anything like it before in hardcore.
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