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Dys7
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 Posted - 2012/01/19 : 03:06:42
So, I've heard multiple times from different people on this site, that freeform isn't played much as people don't enjoy it / like dancing to it / etc.
What exactly about freeform are people averse to? How can you not dance to a song like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJmWGKVFbkE#t=3m02s
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 03:34:46
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Originally posted by Dys7:
So, I've heard multiple times from different people on this site, that freeform isn't played much as people don't enjoy it / like dancing to it / etc.
What exactly about freeform are people averse to? How can you not dance to a song like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJmWGKVFbkE#t=3m02s
I've never heard that about Freeform. In fact I've rarely (if ever) heard a Freeform set outside of a Freeform-concentric event, it seems to be either all-freeform or no freeform. Freeformation went from 8pm-11am and had a club switch 6am which involved a long line of tired ravers walking through the streets of london and the last set at 11am was jam packed and full of people going absolutely nuts.
I think if anyone has a problem dancing to freeform it's because they prefer verse -> chorus vocal stuff, freeform is fairly trancy and if you're not a fan of some form of trance you probably won't like it. I've always been into Psytrance and Goa so Lost Soul and Qygen do it for me on the freeform front. I'm obviously a huge fan of vocal cheesy old skool happycore so I can see both sides of it really.
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Brian K
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 03:40:19
1) where abouts are these people
2) is it a whole set of freeform or just a couple tunes
growing up listening to hardcore stateside, most hardcore djs cleared a good chunk of the floor. the only people remaining were people who loved it and the people too f*cked up to move =P
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 03:46:06
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Originally posted by Brian K:
1) where abouts are these people
2) is it a whole set of freeform or just a couple tunes
growing up listening to hardcore stateside, most hardcore djs cleared a good chunk of the floor. the only people remaining were people who loved it and the people too f*cked up to move =P
Haha I heard in the west coast old skool scene there was the 'get up and dance crew' who went around wearing orange jumpsuits and wielding big brooms so they could sweep the e-tards off the floor =P
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Bonkers4Life
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 04:28:54
its more DnB that clear dance floors imo. I've seen it happen alot
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LoveThaCore
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 09:46:30
I think it does too. Seems too constant and formulated for a lot of people and seriously lacking bass. I remember seeing a freeform dj play after Anger Fist and Outblast in the main room of a large scale rave and half of the 3000 people went into the Gabber/ UK Hardcore room.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 09:50:01
I think this is just something one person said on here ages ago and it must have stuck in your head - I've never seen it happen.
reading the last two posts - must be a non-UK thing then? you elitetests! ;)
If you bill a Gabber artist and someone comes on afterwards and plays house...then people who like gabber and hate house are going to leave the dancefloor - and vice versa
thats really down to artist's billed
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djDMS
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 10:56:54
Freeform definitely suffers when played alongside upfront - seen it many times. It's all about being in the right room at the right event.
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wong
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 10:58:48
dont mind a bit of freeform now n again but it does get a little boring after a bit imo.
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 11:02:32
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Freeform definitely suffers when played alongside upfront - seen it many times. It's all about being in the right room at the right event.
This. many people into the more mainstream sounds don't really like Freeform as much (or sometimes even at all). The crowds certainly cross over a lot but both sounds have their own followers.
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 11:27:19
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Freeform definitely suffers when played alongside upfront - seen it many times. It's all about being in the right room at the right event.
Hit it on the head there!!
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 12:01:49
good thing I dont aspire to become a DJ then, as I hate playing the same style for a complete set. But if I'd manage to make people listen to more than just one style, maybe I should try more!
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 12:42:52
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good thing I dont aspire to become a DJ then, as I hate playing the same style for a complete set. But if I'd manage to make people listen to more than just one style, maybe I should try more!
Yeah that's the thing with the UK, Hardcore ravers suffer from being extremely blinkered a lot of the time. In the UK we have Hardcore all night, in the US and North America they generally have more than one genre at their raves, as a result you'll find North American ravers tend to be much more open minded about electronic music.
Throw 1 tune with breaks down at a rave on a UK dancefloor and the floor will clear if it isn't the right audience, all because you're playing "drum n bass" as far as they're concerned.
Freeform is more intelligent than Hardcore IMO too, I'm not dissing hardcore, I love the simple cheesy childish stuff and Happy Hardcore does that better than anyone. But in terms of structure, complex melodies etc. Freeform is a lot more intelligent music than UK Hardcore and Gabber which are very cookie cutter simple genres and they take less work to get into. I also think this is why the Freeform/Trance/Goa/Psy fans are so different from the Hardcore fans, you don't get any drunk hooliganism really.
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GregPeaks
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 17:00:22
I don't usually post in these forums or discussions but i would like to point out that the freeform sound has a lot to do with the journey each track, and/or mix, creates. I have played at many nights that have been predominantly UK hardcore based and over the years i have found that with the right selection and, correct sequence, of tracks - it is possible to build towards something completely different, without the dancefloor knowing that it crept up on them and this makes for some devastating affects as the new sound is captivating, as any new experience can be. Clearly, freeform is not the same as UK hardcore - "power love songs" or "bouncy dirt tracks" but it is music nonetheless and music that does the same thing that the other tracks are supposed to do. Delivery, in my eyes, has always been a key element in freeform. In this respect, it is possible that if a set is not delivered or built upon in the right way that it will not have the same impact other tracks at a UK hardcore might have.
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Dys7
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 17:11:53
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Originally posted by GregPeaks:
I don't usually post in these forums or discussions but i would like to point out that the freeform sound has a lot to do with the journey each track, and/or mix, creates. I have played at many nights that have been predominantly UK hardcore based and over the years i have found that with the right selection and, correct sequence, of tracks - it is possible to build towards something completely different, without the dancefloor knowing that it crept up on them and this makes for some devastating affects as the new sound is captivating, as any new experience can be. Clearly, freeform is not the same as UK hardcore - "power love songs" or "bouncy dirt tracks" but it is music nonetheless and music that does the same thing that the other tracks are supposed to do. Delivery, in my eyes, has always been a key element in freeform. In this respect, it is possible that if a set is not delivered or built upon in the right way that it will not have the same impact other tracks at a UK hardcore might have.
Wow, that's quite insightful. Gotta say it's quite cool to see Peaks posting on my topic :)
And yeah, I'm positive that multiple people said it. Couldn't find the posts on the search :\ Maybe I'm going crazy
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Warnman
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Posted - 2012/01/19 : 20:36:57
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Originally posted by GregPeaks:
I don't usually post in these forums or discussions but i would like to point out that the freeform sound has a lot to do with the journey each track, and/or mix, creates. I have played at many nights that have been predominantly UK hardcore based and over the years i have found that with the right selection and, correct sequence, of tracks - it is possible to build towards something completely different, without the dancefloor knowing that it crept up on them and this makes for some devastating affects as the new sound is captivating, as any new experience can be. Clearly, freeform is not the same as UK hardcore - "power love songs" or "bouncy dirt tracks" but it is music nonetheless and music that does the same thing that the other tracks are supposed to do. Delivery, in my eyes, has always been a key element in freeform. In this respect, it is possible that if a set is not delivered or built upon in the right way that it will not have the same impact other tracks at a UK hardcore might have.
I don't want to correct you at all, but I barley seperate between Happy Hardcore and Freeform Hardcore. When I was curious about Hardcore in the 90s, some tracks were released as Happy Hardcore, although today you could classify them being Freeform Hardcore. And I feel a very close relationship between both Hardcore styles (twins). The seperation thing is something that came up later on starting with Trancecore. I only use the term "Freeform Hardcore", when I speak to the people, who are into this music very much, because it's making it easier.
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