Freeform clearing dancefloors

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Originally posted by Claxton:

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Originally posted by Archefluxx:

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Originally posted by Samination:
Isn't freeform technicially a different genre already?

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No, it seems to me that Freeform is shackled to Hardcore. Its like it bitch. It has an occassional spot on a Hardcore CD when Hardcore honcho's let it.


Why cant it stand on its own two feet. It needs a pioneer who can draw it away.

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Why doed it need to be independant? It was formed from hardcore and has huge similarities, because it is hardcore.

Freeform is underground music, would it survive on its own without hardcore?? I personally doubt it would.

As someone mentioned previously, UK ravers don't seem to accept variety on the dancefloors. Freeform and hardcore breaks should be standard place in the main rooms of raves along side cheese (in my personal opinion).

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Originally posted by djDMS:
It's a great pity that most of what we discuss here never gets out into the real world!

Plenty of us here listen to many different styles, support many different producers, labels and styles, yet your average raver is horribly blinkered and oblivious to the wider picture.

Even at my age, i still look out for what's new and different, support smaller events etc. Sadly, all most people notice now is who shouts loudest and most often on facebook!

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Originally posted by Warnman:
It's just like being back in 1994/1995, when Hardtrance (which was big itself) gained for the Happy Hardcore vibe and started to become faster and more raveable until some Hardtrance made it's way into Happy Hardcore sets.
Happy Hardcore and Freeform Hardcore fit together so perfectly tmo as well. I simply don't want to listen to pure Happy Hardcore/Freeform all night long: variety within a set wins so much. This is why I prefer the radio shows, where the DJs play different styles of Hardcore/rave music.
It's not about a certain genre: it's all about raving and rave culture.

If you don't understand what I try to say, please feel free to listen to the RMB-set below, due music is the only language, which is understood worldwide and describes more than thousands of words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djs2NcwagAc

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

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Originally posted by djDMS:
It's a great pity that most of what we discuss here never gets out into the real world!

Plenty of us here listen to many different styles, support many different producers, labels and styles, yet your average raver is horribly blinkered and oblivious to the wider picture.

Even at my age, i still look out for what's new and different, support smaller events etc. Sadly, all most people notice now is who shouts loudest and most often on facebook!

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I think trying to market Freeform to hardcore ravers isn't that good an idea really. The only people who like it will be the ones old enough to remember it from the Bonkers CDs, it's better if Freeform steps away from Hardcore completely and looks towards the Hard Dance scene. Not everything 170-180bpm is Hardcore, and the Hardcore scene will have to get used to this.

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Originally posted by Dys7:

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

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Originally posted by djDMS:
It's a great pity that most of what we discuss here never gets out into the real world!

Plenty of us here listen to many different styles, support many different producers, labels and styles, yet your average raver is horribly blinkered and oblivious to the wider picture.

Even at my age, i still look out for what's new and different, support smaller events etc. Sadly, all most people notice now is who shouts loudest and most often on facebook!

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I think trying to market Freeform to hardcore ravers isn't that good an idea really. The only people who like it will be the ones old enough to remember it from the Bonkers CDs, it's better if Freeform steps away from Hardcore completely and looks towards the Hard Dance scene. Not everything 170-180bpm is Hardcore, and the Hardcore scene will have to get used to this.

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See, I don't know why so many people are assuming so much about the "New ravers"
I got into hardcore last year, and I LOVE freeform.

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Originally posted by stray:
We all knew I wouldn't be able to stay away from this post :P. 1st of all, I'd like to quote what someone (probably Dyzphazia) said on the Freeform Forum - The only thing Freeform has in common with UK Hardcore is BPM. Yes, it can be mixed into UK Hardcore or Gabber quite easily, but that's purely because of the speed, the same way it blends well with DNB. Some of the best Freeform sets I've heard start with Trance or hard dance, and progress in BPM slowly towards Freeform. If the mix is done right, you don't even notice that the genre has changed.

I also notice that a lot of people are comparing Freeform to Trance or Hard dance, but a lot of tunes take no influence from there, and instead borrow psy styles. Stuff like a lot of Lost Soul, Betwixt & Between and many others have strong psy influences.

I do think Freeform can stand on it's own 2 feet, but not yet. It needs it's association with hardcore, as there are those in the hardcore scene that will make a natural progression towards it. But it can't solely rely on it to survive on it's own. I think it also needs to be played at Trance events, at Hard Dance events and at Psy events towards the end of the night, and also continue to put on it's own nights. The scene is much to small to just break away from Hardcore and go at it by itself, and needs to draw people from the above mentioned genres to make it a scene large enough to support itself.

Sorry for the wall of text, but it's probably no surprise I had something to say on this matter ;)

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