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arpz
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 Posted - 2013/03/14 : 22:41:38
I think we might be about to see A LOT more happy hardcore style stuff coming out, and a lot more tunes in the 'old style'
In the last few months we've seen the awesome Don't Die Wondering boxset from Kniteforce, the announcement of Happy Hardcore Underground from HU, the return of Demo, Bananaman and Fade and probably some other stuff I've forgotten.
With this in mind, it really does seem like we'll be getting a lot of HHC in the coming months, and I think it's awesome.
Do you think this is generally something that's wanted by 'the scene' ? It seems to me as though there is a split occurring which is not dissimilar to the jungle/hardcore split back in the day, I like a lot of the music that's coming out but I do miss happy melodies and inane vocals and it would be awesome if we started getting a load more of that again.
Anyway, this has been touched on in other threads, but would be cool to see what the consensus is. Even if you just want to tell me to stop harping on about somethings that's been said time and time again, post in this thread :)
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Posted - 2013/03/14 : 23:31:45
I've learned over the years to never get my hopes up where hardcore music is concerned I really wish it would happen but I can't see it.
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DJ Hellfury
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Posted - 2013/03/14 : 23:57:54
If hhc gets an revival and if they put as much effort as in the bonkers 3 - 5 times - and im talking about innovate level - it would be beyond amazing.
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 04:36:29
In reality it will probably only happen if/when the music style of hardcore changes again.
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jimmyhypa
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 09:26:35
With the comeback of a few legends I think there will be a lot of events that will milk the fact for novility reason's and the older raver's who remember the scene as it was back in the day, maybe even a few new Happy Hardcore styled tracks made but in my honest opinion it will never have the impact that It did first time round due to Hardcore mainly taking the form of the 'in thing' around at the time by the big producers which caters for a big percentage of tunes that get played at large events.
as much as I'd love to see it again in all it's glory I don't think the majority will go for it, I would deffo be supporting it though.
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 09:43:57
I really do want it to happen, I have done for years. There is definitely a air of change rumbling around at the moment. It's great that Demo, Bananaman & Fade are all back but lets be honest, how many times have people "come back" only to end up releasing the same stuff as everyone else? A few people have been making the odd happy hardcore influenced tracks for a while now, Slipmatt, Haze, Eufeion to name a few but due to the insidious nature of the few people who run "the scene" I can't see the current crop of producers investing time and effort into pushing the style for fear that they might loose "there spot". There's a lot of people who have the talent to bring about change but more often than not those people move on somewhere else to a style of music that's not full of cancerous personalities.
The way I have always seen it is that change in music reflects changes in attitudes, music genre's tend to be born out of frustration with the world. For example the change in the 60's came when kids started to rebel against the U.S governments involvement in the Vietnam War and with the emergence of Beatlemania and rock and roll. The 80's had punk which was born out of the end of the 70's glam rock era and with synth pop following just after it. Then the 90's came and acid house rebelled against the 80's Thatcher era.
Their is a pattern to all of this and if you look at the state of the world today I can certainly see a change is due and I'm hoping it's a happy hardcore revival. I think if it where to happen it will happen away from current uk hardcore. In the same way hardcore breaks evolved separately from the usual old skool places. In order to make a big change the "scene" needs new blood and lots of it.
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jimmyhypa
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 09:50:56
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Originally posted by Mortis:
I really do want it to happen, I have done for years. There is definitely a air of change rumbling around at the moment. It's great that Demo, Bananaman & Fade are all back but lets be honest, how many times have people "come back" only to end up releasing the same stuff as everyone else? A few people have been making the odd happy hardcore influenced tracks for a while now, Slipmatt, Haze, Eufeion to name a few but due to the insidious nature of the few people who run "the scene" I can't see the current crop of producers investing time and effort into pushing the style for fear that they might loose "there spot". There's a lot of people who have the talent to bring about change but more often than not those people move on somewhere else to a style of music that's not full of cancerous personalities.
The way I have always seen it is that change in music reflects changes in attitudes, music genre's tend to be born out of frustration with the world. For example the change in the 60's came when kids started to rebel against the U.S governments involvement in the Vietnam War and with the emergence of Beatlemania and rock and roll. The 80's had punk which was born out of the end of the 70's glam rock era and with synth pop following just after it. Then the 90's came and acid house rebelled against the 80's Thatcher era.
Their is a pattern to all of this and if you look at the state of the world today I can certainly see a change is due and I'm hoping it's a happy hardcore revival. I think if it where to happen it will happen away from current uk hardcore. In the same way hardcore breaks evolved separately from the usual old skool places. In order to make a big change the "scene" needs new blood and lots of it.
Agreed totally mate.
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 11:47:48
I think that's probably nailed it. Shame it can't go nuts again though
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 12:10:57
Well, if Hardcore Underground pushs HHC even more, fade, bananaman and demo keep their level from the past i guess the top dudes like dougal can't ignore the trend anymore.
Another factor is sucess at hhc parties like "Bust An Old Jam", if they get enough support more parties will follow.
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arpz
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 12:21:21
That actually prompted me to write this, despite the fact I completely forgot to mention the rave and the comeback of both Fantazia and Dreamscape...
I'm not actually saying that I want a load of '95 tunes remixed and more exclusive 94-9x raves but rather, it'd be nice to see new productions in a similar style.
The remixes and raves are nice too, though
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 13:04:16
We've been on the brink of a Happy Hardcore revival since 1999.
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DJ Hellfury
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 13:11:19
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Originally posted by djDMS:
We've been on the brink of a Happy Hardcore revival since 1999.
never felt any hhc revival atmosphere except the past month
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 15:25:14
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Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
We've been on the brink of a Happy Hardcore revival since 1999.
never felt any hhc revival atmosphere except the past month
on the brink doesnt always mean you can see or hear it.
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DJ Hellfury
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 15:31:40
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
We've been on the brink of a Happy Hardcore revival since 1999.
never felt any hhc revival atmosphere except the past month
on the brink doesnt always mean you can see or hear it.
then tell me about all the hhc-only events, cd releases and producers i missed so far between 2004 and 2012.
imo., i could only take that hhc revival seriously when HU announced their hhc album plus demo, fade and bananaman return.
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 19:35:57
There's definitely a huge comeback of electronic music at the moment, but it's still unclear if Hardcore will have its cut at these developement as well. To my opinion it will not, if it only tries to sound like sped up versions of other genres or even Popcrap remixes. People who listen to Dubstep, Electro, Minimal or Dancehall usually will always prefer the original music. And I'd even include the UK Hardcore since 2000, which most of the time sounds like sped up Vocal Trance. I do enjoy it as well, but it simply is unable to compare with the high standarts of the 90's although technical production has increased a lot. Great Hardcore needs to be filthy and not sterile!
My hope are a few developments at the moment. Breakbeat Hardcore is growing which represents the old-school UK Hardcore breakbeat music for me. Freeform has started a new wave and will cover the Hardtrance scene. Only Happy Hardcore hasn't found its dignified replacement. Although the Hardcore (Gabber) is quite strong these days, which was it back then as well. In the Netherlands there's a huge demand for old-school-events and I feel they will not mind new stuff, but the Gabber producers still hesitate, because they don't want to scare off the others (Paul Elstak was called a snitch several times). Happy Hardcore probably is a strong love-hate-relationship in Hardcore music. 
Interesting years are incoming!
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Posted - 2013/03/15 : 19:38:54
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Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
We've been on the brink of a Happy Hardcore revival since 1999.
never felt any hhc revival atmosphere except the past month
on the brink doesnt always mean you can see or hear it.
then tell me about all the hhc-only events, cd releases and producers i missed so far between 2004 and 2012.
imo., i could only take that hhc revival seriously when HU announced their hhc album plus demo, fade and bananaman return.
Well, to be fair, the event i posted has been in the planning for years so it's probably just a coincidence that it happened now. Anyway i don't think there will be a revival as such. Maybe some people who were already into it anyway will get like minded people together and put some events on that kind of thing but there is more reasons to the music changing than because people decide to make something different, it is as much because times change, technology changes, people change and so music cannot return back to the way it was. There may be brief trends but that's all it will ever be. I don't disagree that things may be changing though, and maybe significantly so. But it won't be back to how things were. It will be in a new way. Take vinyl (not Hardcore) for example. It's at an all time high selling point since 1993 as far as i know. But ultimately most people aren't going to be going out and buying decks and vinyl again, it's just not convenient anymore given the options (for those people).
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I think if it where to happen it will happen away from current uk hardcore. In the same way hardcore breaks evolved separately from the usual old skool places
I think that would be really good.
I don't agree that the top tier have a limiting effect on anything though. If you want to play at their events and be on their labels then yes. But there is nothing stopping anyone from putting out music themselves and putting on events themselves. And if people like it they will buy it, and they will go to the events if they like them. People no longer have to do things through the big names anymore so it really makes no difference.
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