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The drunken scotsman
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 Posted - 2013/08/04 : 20:00:36
I'm liking the direction hardcore is going in at the moment. Have to admit I wasn't liking it a couple of years ago when the 'dubcore' sound first came about because everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Clubland xtreme hardcore 8 was single-handedly the worst hardcore compilation CD I had ever heard because it all sounded the same, no variety at all just a load of random farting noises backed up by a standard 170 bpm bass line. In the last year or so most producers are still using the influences from what is popular at the moment but making much better music from it.
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/04 : 21:31:33
CXH7 was during that period where producers were trying new things, and finding their way again. I agree with you that hardcore is finding its feet again. Im excited, and I love the variety, and it will only get better
Has everyone heard this from Modulate? Such a great track
https://soundcloud.com/rocketpimp/modulate-ft-marie-louise-say
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The Dopeman
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Posted - 2013/08/04 : 21:47:42
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
soon you will be seeing things go back to the 90's way of thinking
that would probably be the best thing to do
if you listen to a lot of the tracks produced from the original style of hardcore (90's stuff) and compare it to UKHC (2000.s stuff) you will notice that there isn't many 90's tracks that sound simaler there is a shitload of 00's tunes that sound almost identical
also i don't get why most hardcore/dubcore/electrocore (whatever the shit is called these days) is produced at 170bpm the majority of hardcore is produced at that tmpo and i don't understand why also if you compare old skool to whats been produced over the last 10-11 years the kickdrums are a lot weaker i've heard sooooo many tracks from the "big names" that have kicks that sound like someone punching a pig in the stomach (only way i can describe it) not like old skool where a lot if not most of the kicks sounded like you were taking a sledgehammer to the head
hardcore needs to go back to it's roots because the direction it's taken just aint workin out the way they planned props to them for trying something new but if it aint broke don't fix it
i should point out that i'm drunk n stoned while posting this so i have no clue if what i typed made any sense i tried looking at the screen but the words started to go blurry and move around so i'm sticking to keepin my eyes focused firmly on the keyboard lol
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/08/05 : 05:04:53
Oh dear so much to read but I'm caught up. Perhaps now it's my turn to write my own novel on this topic.
First off: THE COMMENTS & THE COMMENTATORS
Some of the comments that the twitter page has highlighted are hilarious. It's not because I agree or disagree with what any of them have to say, but because they are some of the most illiterate things I've ever seen. But honestly a lot of supporters of the styles of hardcore that the comments are speaking of are just as literate-handicapped as the "haters," and that's not just exclusive to the UK ravers. You don't have to have a certain level of education or sophistication in order to be a fan of any genre of music, but when you want to make a valid point about anything I honestly think you should make sure it sounds like you actually put some thought and effort into your comments and critiques.
I have to say comparing the members here at hhc.com and the ones who post on twitter and facebook, we all look like academic scholars haha, even the ones who just do not like the current sound of the more mainstream side of hardcore. Sure we all have our moments where we post "It's shit"-like comments, even me, but I think a lot of us have adapted to trying to critically think about our opinions as best we can on this site. There's a huge difference to the styles of typing from 10 yrs ago on here to what it is now. Also, forums are designed for this sort of detailed discussion. Twitter and Facebook were not designed for people to have a completely open discussion about anything. Barely anyone uses the discussion boards in the groups anymore for Facebook, and Twitter sure as hell doesn't give you that luxury to type in detail what you really mean.
But the thing you also have to realize is that even if the commentators have the ability to properly read and type, they're not always music producing literate. I myself love hardcore, have for over 10 yrs of my life, but I honestly can't give an expert critique on the music because I just don't know the right words for to explain what I like or don't like about a track, but I do with what I can. I don't believe we have to necessarily know music production in order to correctly critique a song, and I also don't believe comments should be dismissed that actually are constructive criticisms.
DJ/MC/PRODUCERS' REACTIONS TO COMMENTS
First off, why would anyone in their right mind take serious offense to a comment like this:
"ITS NOT ****IN HARDCORE!!!! these djs r tekin piss abit now not impressed"
It's clearly not constructive criticism, and to me it's obvious that the person didn't genuinely give the track a chance.
Call me a snob, but if I were a DJ and producer I would be more offended if a fan of mine wrote this:
"Oioi alright m8 was well gutted couldnt see you at the water front norwich m8 can you let us no m8 whats comeing up and will be there m8 for a wicked night lol"
Like I said before, it doesn't have to take a specific level of education or sophistication to enjoy any particular genre of music, but if I get a ton of complements and kudos from people who type like that, it would make me wonder if my music naturally attracts the truly unsophisticated lol.
Going back to the "It's shit"-like comments, why the hell do the Futureworld djs/mcs/producers feel the need to get so upset about these comments and lash out to the people or group in general making such comments? The majority of those djs are top-tiered that get a booking practically every weekend. They practically make a living off of the UK hardcore scene, which apparently is very uncommon according to people that believe they are 'in the know.' If they're actually losing a large fanbase because of the direction their music is turning to, then I can understand the djs and producer becoming a bit upset and mentioning something on social media. But there is honestly no point in being as viscious, ignorant, and petty over comments that are so illiterate. It really sounds like they're just desperate to be loved by everyone, which I find a bit sad.
DJs/producers will never be able to satisfy everyone, and they shouldn't even try. You're always going to have those that will not like anything you do for whatever reason, and while that can sound ignorant it's perfectly in their right to do so. DJs/producers should either keep focusing on showcasing music that they genuinely enjoy or showcase music that their fanbase will enjoy, or both.
I have to bring up the whole comment they made about encouraging us to 'welcome variety in hardcore' again. I think it's completely hilarious that some of these djs/producers seem to portray themselves as victims for their push in bringing "variety" to UK hardcore and are looking to find support and encourage this "new" movement in UK hardcore. Where the hell was the support for DNA over 10 years ago when he tried to do the exact same thing and got heavily criticized for it? Did Hixxy, Styles, Breeze, MC Storm, Dougal, etc. come out and vocally support DNA for bringing something refreshing to UK Hardcore? No they certainly did not. Even though many people have discussed how many top tier djs/producers privately supported DNA, these dj/producers didn't want to do it publicly because they were apparently afraid of whatever backlash would have come to them from a public support.
What's sad is to me they don't seem to genuinely want variety in the UK hardcore scene, or even for the scene to be better united. Sure you have all of these top-tier djs joining one label to create a new Futureworld, but honestly all of those djs already produce a lot of the same styles of UK hardcore, with a few exceptions of course. If these djs/producers were truly interested in uniting the scene more and bringing more variety into UK hardcore, they would have worked alongside labels such as Hardcore Underground, Relentless, CLSM, Stamina and many others before even combining their resources and abandoning their own labels.
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/08/05 : 05:33:38
Sad to say, I believe there wont be a Twitter account to post all the awesomeness latinxtc just posted.
About the DNA incident, I might have forgotten but wasn't the music he was pushing actually a step back to Jungle or D&Bish music? If that's true then I kinda understand why they wouldn't giveh im support as the liked their kind of Hardcore.
Dopeman; You keep saying "Back to it's roots", but if you want Jungle, why dont you listen to Drum n Bass or Breakbeat Hardcore? :P
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DJ Hellfury
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Posted - 2013/08/05 : 06:12:55
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
What's sad is to me they don't seem to genuinely want variety in the UK hardcore scene, or even for the scene to be better united. Sure you have all of these top-tier djs joining one label to create a new Futureworld, but honestly all of those djs already produce a lot of the same styles of UK hardcore, with a few exceptions of course. If these djs/producers were truly interested in uniting the scene more and bringing more variety into UK hardcore, they would have worked alongside labels such as Hardcore Underground, Relentless, CLSM, Stamina and many others before even combining their resources and abandoning their own labels.
That's truely a vaild point!
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Warnman
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Posted - 2013/08/05 : 21:25:08
Wisely and honestly spoken words to which I can not disagree at all and I have to salute, latininxtc. 
Thank you very much!
Viva la revolution Hardcore!
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/08/05 : 21:50:08
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Originally posted by Samination:
About the DNA incident, I might have forgotten but wasn't the music he was pushing actually a step back to Jungle or D&Bish music? If that's true then I kinda understand why they wouldn't giveh im support as the liked their kind of Hardcore.
Would you call it a step back with what Breeze is doing, or what HU has been doing with their HU breaks line? I honestly don't. DNA was trying to fuse elements that were currently popular in UK/happy hardcore at that moment together with breakbeat elements. Not necessarily a step back but more of an evolution that is taking elements from multiple genres, and there's nothing wrong with that. Music constantly adapts to its surroundings, and UK hardcore is no different.
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Claxton
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Posted - 2013/08/05 : 22:12:47
A fantastic post latin, and one that echoes many of my thoughts.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2013/08/06 : 01:47:30
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
I have to say comparing the members here at hhc.com and the ones who post on twitter and facebook, we all look like academic scholars haha, even the ones who just do not like the current sound of the more mainstream side of hardcore.
HH.com: scholars of h8
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The Dopeman
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Posted - 2013/08/06 : 04:15:29
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Originally posted by Samination:
Dopeman; You keep saying "Back to it's roots", but if you want Jungle, why dont you listen to Drum n Bass or Breakbeat Hardcore? :P
i don't mean the crappy english style that was never "hard" i mean go back to how scotland used to do it hard fast n in your face that's when hardcore really took off imho when we showed the english how it's done then they copied the style and watered it down and called it happy hardcore
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/08/06 : 08:08:19
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Dopeman; You keep saying "Back to it's roots", but if you want Jungle, why dont you listen to Drum n Bass or Breakbeat Hardcore? :P
i don't mean the crappy english style that was never "hard" i mean go back to how scotland used to do it hard fast n in your face that's when hardcore really took off imho when we showed the english how it's done then they copied the style and watered it down and called it happy hardcore
I have yet to find a scottish hardcore/bounce track that I like. I'm thankful the dutch copied it but added euro dance elements to the songs. And that the english copied the kicks only :P
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The Dopeman
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Posted - 2013/08/06 : 10:18:46
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Dopeman; You keep saying "Back to it's roots", but if you want Jungle, why dont you listen to Drum n Bass or Breakbeat Hardcore? :P
i don't mean the crappy english style that was never "hard" i mean go back to how scotland used to do it hard fast n in your face that's when hardcore really took off imho when we showed the english how it's done then they copied the style and watered it down and called it happy hardcore
I have yet to find a scottish hardcore/bounce track that I like. I'm thankful the dutch copied it but added euro dance elements to the songs. And that the english copied the kicks only :P
i think it was the other way around the scots copied belgian techno and dutch gabber both were pretty simaler apart from the dutch having more distortion in their kicks
don't you like any of scott browns older stuff?? or technosis ect there are tons of bangin tracks each to their own i suppose tho :)
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/08/06 : 13:01:51
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Dopeman; You keep saying "Back to it's roots", but if you want Jungle, why dont you listen to Drum n Bass or Breakbeat Hardcore? :P
i don't mean the crappy english style that was never "hard" i mean go back to how scotland used to do it hard fast n in your face that's when hardcore really took off imho when we showed the english how it's done then they copied the style and watered it down and called it happy hardcore
I have yet to find a scottish hardcore/bounce track that I like. I'm thankful the dutch copied it but added euro dance elements to the songs. And that the english copied the kicks only :P
i think it was the other way around the scots copied belgian techno and dutch gabber both were pretty simaler apart from the dutch having more distortion in their kicks
don't you like any of scott browns older stuff?? or technosis ect there are tons of bangin tracks each to their own i suppose tho :)
Earliest SB track I like is from 1999
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Posted - 2013/08/06 : 13:51:11
you should defo go on yt and check out his stuff from around 1993-97 those were (and still are) some of the best tunes he's made
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