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Warnman
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 Posted - 2013/08/14 : 21:01:17
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
"Is there any particular style I have to produce for the competition?"
"Absolutely NOT! Futureworld is open to ANY style, all we ask is that you impress us with your productions skills and original ideas."
sure...
How dare you to question New-School "Hardcore"... 
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/14 : 21:24:08
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Originally posted by Rodz90:
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
People on here still seeing Futureworld as a dub core label then? :/
Must admit, all that dub influence in Never Forget You, Knight in Shining Armour, Mix Your Sex, Sober etc gives that away
Personally i am (can't speak for the forum). Why? because Future world is labeling itself as a music label irrespective of genre, if i search Futureworld in Beatport the genres that identify with the label come up as "Hardcore / Hard Techno / Dubstep / Drum & Bass / Hip-Hop / Breaks /" in that order.
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It's striving to be a hybrid label, personally i see that as a bad idea but hey that's just me. I'm curious as to what genre of music (and indeed what marketplace) you would say Future world as a label predominantly caters to?
So, its not a dub-core label at all?? its a multi genre label? you've described it as both so now I'm not sure which it is? I've been over the argument on here, it's very boring.
It's a hardcore label, it's that simple. It caters for most styles of hardcore, and has remixes made in other genres, and occasionally releases tracks that cross between other genres, such as Bitch Slap.
I guess some are stuck in the old, recycled sound that's been around since 2002
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/08/14 : 21:53:22
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
Anyone had any thoughts on the K-Tops! entry?
https://soundcloud.com/k-tops/k-tops-mark-slammer-destiny
Sounds nice, has a very Save Me-ish sound to it.
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2013/08/14 : 22:00:52
Not wanting to join in the whole Futureworld dubcore argument. I have bought most releases from Futureworld so far and am looking forward to future(world ;-D) releases.
One thing I will say is that I'm starting to get annoyed with the "if its good music it will get played/produced/released" generic statement that a lot of hardcore dj's/producers are coming out with these days. It might be good music in their opinion but evidently not everyone agrees with it and to be fair a lot of it is shite. But never mind because Dj so and so says its good music
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/08/14 : 22:02:14
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
I guess some are stuck in the old, recycled sound that's been around since 2002
Some are, yeah. And who's place is it to say that's a bad thing. Who's to say current music is the only valid option?
Generally speaking, though, most people on here are pretty broad-minded and enjoy a massive range of Hardcore. So, I'd be careful about banding stuff like "stuck in the past" around, because it will piss people off (rightly or wrongly). You've done a fcuking sterling job of sticking up for the label you represent, and you deserve a massive amount of credit for reading and posting here - as I've said before. I'm sure a lot of people will agree.
It's quite difficult to pin-down the reasons for the FutureWorld disllike. It just happens to be the main talking point in Hardcore at the moment. That's not unexpected - having the vast majority of the top tier artists suddenly abandon their labels to form one sort of reborn super-label is quite a big deal. The image problems and issues - probably - originate from the way the original FutureWorld label finished (just before it was re-launched/re-branded or whatever). Breeze got Petruccio and Modulate heavily involved, who were producing the dirty electro and dubstep influenced stuff at the time. Breeze himself was producing in that style. Our Sound was FutureWorld-backed (I think?). Now, that style is in such contrast to what a lot of people defined as Hardcore at the time (not especially euphoric, not much momentum etc.) that it understandable didn't appeal to everyone. So, from then on 'FutureWorld' had it's new reputation as a 'Dubcore' label and everyone started slagging Breeze off and so on and so.
When this new conglomerate label was formed, it might have been a better idea to call it something completely different. Lots of people just view the current FutureWorld as an extension of the original one, and a lot of negative Dubcore-related connotations have come with it.
People's perceptions will change gradually, once the release schedule picks up momentum.
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Rodz90
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Posted - 2013/08/14 : 22:28:36
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
So, its not a dub-core label at all?? its a multi genre label? you've described it as both so now I'm not sure which it is? I've been over the argument on here, it's very boring.
Yes, and thanks for repeating my point back to me - indeed being a multi-genre label would place Futureworld as serving dubcore. I find it even more odd that Futureworld describes itself as a label providing rave - I'm not sure what music is deemed appropriate under this ambiguous term, however it's clear that the informational "About" section on the website needs to be more concise (see here: http://www.futureworldrecords.co.uk/about/).
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
It's a hardcore label, it's that simple. It caters for most styles of hardcore, and has remixes made in other genres, and occasionally releases tracks that cross between other genres, such as Bitch Slap.
Perhaps the person to update the about section should be you, this is simply all i need to know about the label and is straight to the point. I've been quite confused recently as to the labels identity what with beatport stating the label provides a huge variety of genres and the about section completely unclear. Bare in mind that this is the view consumers will have of your brand, make sure you get it right otherwise they may end up being confused like me!
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
I guess some are stuck in the old, recycled sound that's been around since 2002
I wish!!! some of the top tier make songs like they used to - but it kind of feels like production quality has got in the way of creativity for some of them. I do enjoy the odd track from Gammer and Styles (Good Life, XFer, Don't Give Up) but some of the other players aren't up-to the standards they used to be. The last hope is Hardcore Underground 6 and if that flops its Psy-trance all the way for me unfortunately.
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2013/08/14 : 22:56:37
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
I guess some are stuck in the old, recycled sound that's been around since 2002
Some are, yeah. And who's place is it to say that's a bad thing. Who's to say current music is the only valid option?
Generally speaking, though, most people on here are pretty broad-minded and enjoy a massive range of Hardcore. So, I'd be careful about banding stuff like "stuck in the past" around, because it will piss people off (rightly or wrongly). You've done a fcuking sterling job of sticking up for the label you represent, and you deserve a massive amount of credit for reading and posting here - as I've said before. I'm sure a lot of people will agree.
It's quite difficult to pin-down the reasons for the FutureWorld disllike. It just happens to be the main talking point in Hardcore at the moment. That's not unexpected - having the vast majority of the top tier artists suddenly abandon their labels to form one sort of reborn super-label is quite a big deal. The image problems and issues - probably - originate from the way the original FutureWorld label finished (just before it was re-launched/re-branded or whatever). Breeze got Petruccio and Modulate heavily involved, who were producing the dirty electro and dubstep influenced stuff at the time. Breeze himself was producing in that style. Our Sound was FutureWorld-backed (I think?). Now, that style is in such contrast to what a lot of people defined as Hardcore at the time (not especially euphoric, not much momentum etc.) that it understandable didn't appeal to everyone. So, from then on 'FutureWorld' had it's new reputation as a 'Dubcore' label and everyone started slagging Breeze off and so on and so.
When this new conglomerate label was formed, it might have been a better idea to call it something completely different. Lots of people just view the current FutureWorld as an extension of the original one, and a lot of negative Dubcore-related connotations have come with it.
People's perceptions will change gradually, once the release schedule picks up momentum.
Excellent post, agree 100%
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Dys7
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Posted - 2013/08/14 : 23:14:38
Just want to be clear, I wasn't dissing FW with my post. :)
What I meant was that's all I figured they'd be considering - the 'new' influences of that sort.
All I can do is plain old riff upfront stuff, so I wouldn't have a shot. I know they don't sign that sort of thing.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 00:01:34
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Originally posted by Dys7:
Just want to be clear, I wasn't dissing FW with my post. :)
What I meant was that's all I figured they'd be considering - the 'new' influences of that sort.
All I can do is plain old riff upfront stuff, so I wouldn't have a shot. I know they don't sign that sort of thing.
Well too late for apologies now, look what you did!
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djDMS
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 08:20:56
Beautifully said Jay.
Just one minor point to make though, i think most people know EXACTLY why there's a lot of negativity towards FW ;-)
And for the record, most of what i have ever said about the 'new and improved' style of Hardcore has been in jest. I have no problem whatsoever with electro/dub/D&B influences in tunes. What bothers me is when i feel (as a fan of music in general) it isn't done as well as the original genres.
If i don't like something i don't like it, simple as. It's nothing to do with 'hating' or being stuck in the past, its nothing more than personal preference - and no amount of corporate 'yes' men will change that.
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 08:39:11
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Beautifully said Jay.
Just one minor point to make though, i think most people know EXACTLY why there's a lot of negativity towards FW ;-)
And for the record, most of what i have ever said about the 'new and improved' style of Hardcore has been in jest. I have no problem whatsoever with electro/dub/D&B influences in tunes. What bothers me is when i feel (as a fan of music in general) it isn't done as well as the original genres.
If i don't like something i don't like it, simple as. It's nothing to do with 'hating' or being stuck in the past, its nothing more than personal preference - and no amount of corporate 'yes' men will change that.
Obviously creating an twitter account called Hardcore_TXT, which clearly is one sided by showing only "negative" comments about, well generally only FW releases, shows how much they really care about your personal preference. I know that Dys7 was only joking, but I wouldn't be suprised of the OUTCOME of the competition.
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 09:03:51
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Originally posted by Dys7:
Just want to be clear, I wasn't dissing FW with my post. :)
What I meant was that's all I figured they'd be considering - the 'new' influences of that sort.
All I can do is plain old riff upfront stuff, so I wouldn't have a shot. I know they don't sign that sort of thing.
Never said you were bud, was just pointing out that the label is for good music, not just 'dub core'. Rhythmica, Michael Scout, Hixxy & Styles, Dougal & Gammer still make riff based hardcore, all are on future world. All you're doing is putting self doubt on your own abilities.
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 09:24:27
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
I guess some are stuck in the old, recycled sound that's been around since 2002
Some are, yeah. And who's place is it to say that's a bad thing. Who's to say current music is the only valid option?
Generally speaking, though, most people on here are pretty broad-minded and enjoy a massive range of Hardcore. So, I'd be careful about banding stuff like "stuck in the past" around, because it will piss people off (rightly or wrongly). You've done a fcuking sterling job of sticking up for the label you represent, and you deserve a massive amount of credit for reading and posting here - as I've said before. I'm sure a lot of people will agree.
It's quite difficult to pin-down the reasons for the FutureWorld disllike. It just happens to be the main talking point in Hardcore at the moment. That's not unexpected - having the vast majority of the top tier artists suddenly abandon their labels to form one sort of reborn super-label is quite a big deal. The image problems and issues - probably - originate from the way the original FutureWorld label finished (just before it was re-launched/re-branded or whatever). Breeze got Petruccio and Modulate heavily involved, who were producing the dirty electro and dubstep influenced stuff at the time. Breeze himself was producing in that style. Our Sound was FutureWorld-backed (I think?). Now, that style is in such contrast to what a lot of people defined as Hardcore at the time (not especially euphoric, not much momentum etc.) that it understandable didn't appeal to everyone. So, from then on 'FutureWorld' had it's new reputation as a 'Dubcore' label and everyone started slagging Breeze off and so on and so.
When this new conglomerate label was formed, it might have been a better idea to call it something completely different. Lots of people just view the current FutureWorld as an extension of the original one, and a lot of negative Dubcore-related connotations have come with it.
People's perceptions will change gradually, once the release schedule picks up momentum.
I'll answer this more thoroughly when I finish work, but it's not a bad thing. I still love it, I'm just pointing out that there's more to hardcore than just one style.
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 09:44:47
Oh, and I've listened to Breeze's CXH9 mix more than any of the others.
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 09:46:14
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I'll answer this more thoroughly when I finish work, but it's not a bad thing. I still love it, I'm just pointing out that there's more to hardcore than just one style.
It's all good mate, don't worry too much. I don't really need an answer, it was more of a rhetorical question (am assuming you're talking about my first sentence?).
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