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_Jay_
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 Posted - 2015/08/18 : 12:17:53
Sy, Gammer, Styles, maybe even Al Storm.
Has to be a balance between the draw of the individual act and their ability to play a mixture of their own stuff and some tribute-type sets.
It's an idea to play with, at least.
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Posted - 2015/08/18 : 14:09:48
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
Sy, Gammer, Styles, maybe even Al Storm.
Has to be a balance between the draw of the individual act and their ability to play a mixture of their own stuff and some tribute-type sets.
It's an idea to play with, at least.
You would probably rely on Sy having to do the whole set by himself since almost no one will be unwilling to DJ alongside him, especially Unknown. And honestly Unknown would be the guy that makes the most sense for him to mix with since they spent over a decade together producing tracks.
Al Storm can definitely do it he has an eclectic palette of tracks he produced.
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Posted - 2015/08/20 : 06:19:24
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You would probably rely on Sy having to do the whole set by himself
Of which he'd be perfectly capable.
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Posted - 2015/08/20 : 11:54:44
Yeah like he hasn't been an amazing DJ for about 25 years haha, LatinXTC you crack me up kid, you literally know nothing about UK raves but you comment on these posts like you went to Fantazia in 1991. Sit down son.
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Posted - 2015/08/20 : 12:52:31
Pretty sure Sy and Al Storm should be albe to mix together. Not that I have seen them together
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Posted - 2015/08/20 : 13:03:29
Everyone's missing the point here.
The key discussion topic is this:
In the example where one DJ plays for six hours plus of an eight or nine hour night - will that DJ have enough pull-factor across the board to make putting such a night on a financial feasibility?
Yes, it's part of the conversation - but assessing a particular DJ's ability to play for an entire night is secondary to the above.
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Posted - 2015/08/20 : 13:22:58
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
Everyone's missing the point here.
The key discussion topic is this:
In the example where one DJ plays for six hours plus of an eight or nine hour night - will that DJ have enough pull-factor across the board to make putting such a night on a financial feasibility?
Yes, it's part of the conversation - but assessing a particular DJ's ability to play for an entire night is secondary to the above.
I definitely think a significant portion of people who go to Hardcore events in the UK would be put off by just one headliner regardless of who it is and how long he is playing. It's sad but I think that's very much the case. More is better... Apparently.
I think there would be enough people interested to hold a smaller scale event though definitely. You will need to build it from the ground up though so expect the first event/s to lose money as it's a high possibility. You just need to take this into account, it takes time to build up a following/reputation as an event. Pick your location very carefully too.
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Posted - 2015/08/20 : 13:29:18
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Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
I think there would be enough people interested to hold a smaller scale event though definitely. You will need to build it from the ground up though so expect the first event/s to lose money as it's a high possibility. You just need to take this into account, it takes time to build up a following/reputation as an event. Pick your location very carefully too.
Good advice. I am totally thinking along the lines of a smaller event. And yeah, sadly, completely agree with you that most people would be put off by the formula. Scott Brown and Sy are about the only people I can think of that would appeal across the board.
Losing money is always agiven for me - when I'm thinking about these things. I just don't want NO ONE to turn up!
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Posted - 2015/08/20 : 13:52:34
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Originally posted by Audio Warfare:
I think there would be enough people interested to hold a smaller scale event though definitely. You will need to build it from the ground up though so expect the first event/s to lose money as it's a high possibility. You just need to take this into account, it takes time to build up a following/reputation as an event. Pick your location very carefully too.
Good advice. I am totally thinking along the lines of a smaller event. And yeah, sadly, completely agree with you that most people would be put off by the formula. Scott Brown and Sy are about the only people I can think of that would appeal across the board.
Losing money is always agiven for me - when I'm thinking about these things. I just don't want NO ONE to turn up!
Yep, nothing worse than an empty dance floor! Now even more people in attendance to avoid this since the smoking ban too. Would a daytime event in an outside area during the summer help with this? Then of course there are people who would be put off by a day time event and there is the weather to worry about. Personally I love the idea of day time events but I'm an old fart now and like to sleep. ;)
Styles has a massive pull, could even try and get Force and Breeze to go B2B on some of it for a broader appeal. I think Kutski could do an amazing job but don't think it would bring in the numbers unfortunately. Scott Brown and Sy are definitely the first to spring to mind though. Sharkey could be good too but would appeal to a slightly different crown obviously and you would have to get him to actually take the booking too. :P
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Posted - 2015/08/20 : 16:39:58
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Yeah like he hasn't been an amazing DJ for about 25 years haha, LatinXTC you crack me up kid, you literally know nothing about UK raves but you comment on these posts like you went to Fantazia in 1991. Sit down son.
Never said he wasn't an amazing DJ or that he wouldn't be capable of playing for 5+ hours you taint. But good job blowing things out of proportion as usual.
What I was saying that in an event mimicking those 2 nights from HTID ITS where DS and Gammer mixed B2B with other DJs they've worked with for years (which I think would work WAY better than if they were to mix 5+hrs all by themselves), it would be sad if Unknown would be unwilling to come on and mix B2B with Sy for an hour or two. They spent all those years together and they would make it a great 1+ hrs of playing Quosh classics and scratching, if not the whole night.
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Posted - 2015/08/20 : 17:16:18
As has previously been mentioned Darren Styles had his own night at ITS 2012 & Gammer had one in 2013. Both were great nights imo. Sure Joey Riot had one in 2014. Also seem to remember a quosh themed raverbaby event in 2012 just before the infamous sy & storm saga blew up - wasn't actually there but I remember seeing the flyer.
Great idea. Scott Brown would work well, as would Re-Con.
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Posted - 2015/08/20 : 19:24:43
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
In the example where one DJ plays for six hours plus of an eight or nine hour night - will that DJ have enough pull-factor across the board to make putting such a night on a financial feasibility?
Going from the original question, most people in this thread are pushing themes for the set. I'm in total agreement that this would need to happen to stop an artist playing almost exclusively their own tunes.
Styles, Sy, Dougal, Hixxy, Scott Brown & Luna-C could all easily make this work from a "play the back-catalogue mixed in with classics chronologically" perspective.
Aside from that theme: "Best of Clubland" or "Best of Bonkers" would both easily be able to provide enough material for the sets.
I'd wager that technically, almost all headlining DJs would be able to play and select tunes for a 5/6 hour set. For the event to be viable, you'd need a big name with enough draw to get people to come.
This would pretty much be a similar listing as above plus the current 'top tier'. Styles would be the obvious choice for initial draw, but keeping the event sustainable long-term would be interesting.
Running a "classic to present" theme over multiple events would likely result in a lot of the same tunes being played in roughly the same order. I suspect there'd need to be some thought as to how to avoid this.
Regardless, I have doubts that the entire venture as a '6 hour set' would be financially viable long-term (although a lot of posted suggestions have potential) as I'm not sure there'd be enough brand loyalty. Whether people would go to the event would be determined by whether they like the headliner, rather than the reputation of the event itself. I'd have trouble thinking of ways to keep consistency between the events (same MCs/same residents doesn't sound to me like it'd work as they'd be secondary to the headliner). Due to the inconsistency of the primary draw to the event. It seems to me that (however unlikely it'd be) if there were a trainwreck, there'd be a lot of brand disloyalty.
I'm likely barking up the wrong tree for a number of reasons (especially here), but feel the need to throw it out there for the discussion (as a completely 'out there' suggestion):
S3RL would definitely be able to get the draw that you need to make it worthwhile considering that he hasn't been in the UK for at least a few years.
I'd wager that very few (if any) UK promoters have reached out, mostly as he wouldn't be on the radar or meet the demands of their core audience. I'd also wager that you'd have a very different audience demographic than a standard hardcore event, and could probably build a workable brand from that influx. It'd be likely that you could severely reduce the number/prominence of MCs and make a financial saving there.
That being said, it's interesting, but I'd be doubtful about long-term financial viability. Longer than the typical hour sets with fewer B2Bs would be a great thing (I remember Scott Brown posting something along those lines and finding myself in agreement), but I feel 6 hour+ adds far too much risk.
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Posted - 2015/08/21 : 06:33:09
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Yep, nothing worse than an empty dance floor! Now even more people in attendance to avoid this since the smoking ban too. Would a daytime event in an outside area during the summer help with this? Then of course there are people who would be put off by a day time event and there is the weather to worry about. Personally I love the idea of day time events but I'm an old fart now and like to sleep. ;)
Styles has a massive pull, could even try and get Force and Breeze to go B2B on some of it for a broader appeal. I think Kutski could do an amazing job but don't think it would bring in the numbers unfortunately. Scott Brown and Sy are definitely the first to spring to mind though. Sharkey could be good too but would appeal to a slightly different crown obviously and you would have to get him to actually take the booking too. :P
Funnily enough I did think of Sharkey as well - but as you say, him taking the booking and still being able to mix after five hours of getting on it would be a challenge!
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Originally posted by Ikstra:
Going from the original question, most people in this thread are pushing themes for the set. I'm in total agreement that this would need to happen to stop an artist playing almost exclusively their own tunes.
Styles, Sy, Dougal, Hixxy, Scott Brown & Luna-C could all easily make this work from a "play the back-catalogue mixed in with classics chronologically" perspective.
Aside from that theme: "Best of Clubland" or "Best of Bonkers" would both easily be able to provide enough material for the sets.
I'd wager that technically, almost all headlining DJs would be able to play and select tunes for a 5/6 hour set. For the event to be viable, you'd need a big name with enough draw to get people to come.
This would pretty much be a similar listing as above plus the current 'top tier'. Styles would be the obvious choice for initial draw, but keeping the event sustainable long-term would be interesting.
Running a "classic to present" theme over multiple events would likely result in a lot of the same tunes being played in roughly the same order. I suspect there'd need to be some thought as to how to avoid this.
Regardless, I have doubts that the entire venture as a '6 hour set' would be financially viable long-term (although a lot of posted suggestions have potential) as I'm not sure there'd be enough brand loyalty. Whether people would go to the event would be determined by whether they like the headliner, rather than the reputation of the event itself. I'd have trouble thinking of ways to keep consistency between the events (same MCs/same residents doesn't sound to me like it'd work as they'd be secondary to the headliner). Due to the inconsistency of the primary draw to the event. It seems to me that (however unlikely it'd be) if there were a trainwreck, there'd be a lot of brand disloyalty.
I'm likely barking up the wrong tree for a number of reasons (especially here), but feel the need to throw it out there for the discussion (as a completely 'out there' suggestion):
S3RL would definitely be able to get the draw that you need to make it worthwhile considering that he hasn't been in the UK for at least a few years.
I'd wager that very few (if any) UK promoters have reached out, mostly as he wouldn't be on the radar or meet the demands of their core audience. I'd also wager that you'd have a very different audience demographic than a standard hardcore event, and could probably build a workable brand from that influx. It'd be likely that you could severely reduce the number/prominence of MCs and make a financial saving there.
That being said, it's interesting, but I'd be doubtful about long-term financial viability. Longer than the typical hour sets with fewer B2Bs would be a great thing (I remember Scott Brown posting something along those lines and finding myself in agreement), but I feel 6 hour+ adds far too much risk.
Thank you very much for the detailed post mate.
As much as I like the idea - from a fanboy perspective - I'm starting to think it's just not an option. Especially so for an unknown event brand to do straight off the bat.
I'm gonna play around with a few more ideas.
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Posted - 2015/08/21 : 08:10:40
Do people in the UK really give a **** about S3RL? I don't think they do...
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Posted - 2015/08/21 : 08:44:48
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Do people in the UK really give a **** about S3RL? I don't think they do...
A surprising amount of people haven't even heard of him. His stuff isn't really to my taste, it's like fast Hands Up. Dealer was good though.
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As much as I like the idea - from a fanboy perspective - I'm starting to think it's just not an option. Especially so for an unknown event brand to do straight off the bat.
Probably sensible. An established event name would also have the pull of their reputation. It would be a risky plan for a first party I guess.
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