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djDMS
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 Posted - 2003/05/19 : 00:19:45
Isn't it strange how many Drum & Bass tunes have been in the charts when they're every bit as fast as Happy Hardcore?
Must be the breakbeats that make people think it isn't as fast.
When tunes such as 'Children of the night', 'I wanna be a hippy' and (ouch) 'Happy birthday' got into the charts over here here wasn't a sudden deluge of copycat cheesy Hardcore songs so I can't see why it would be any different if a quality tune along the lines of 'You're shining' or 'Sunrise' crept into the top 40.
I agree that the music does sound too fast for a wider audience to warm to it but with the right release at the right time who knows?
Personally i'm with the people who aren't really bothered either way but it'd be interesting to see what could happen....
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jambo 29
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Posted - 2003/05/19 : 00:51:53
look what happened in 92 when Prodigy - Charley & SL 2 - On A Ragga Tip got tunes into the charts the rave scene bcame massive, so the same could happen 2 hh which would b great
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/05/19 : 02:31:21
It would be quite interesting, yes....
Man those tracks are ancient, but still mad. All that breakbeatty goodness.
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jambo 29
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Posted - 2003/05/19 : 02:46:44
the tunes were mad, ive still got tapes from the big raves in 92, still listen to them now
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tommo
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 Posted - 2003/05/19 : 08:25:15
I don't reckon Hardcore will ever go mainstream really,it's too hard,too fast
and all that.I don't think it'll ever be as popular as it once was.
I'm just nucking futs! 
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jambo 29
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Posted - 2003/05/19 : 10:19:01
If u go back 2 93/94 u would have 2 or 3 big events a month now it seem 2 b 1 or 2 events every couple of months, the crowds r starting 2 come back which can only b good for hh
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BM
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Posted - 2003/05/19 : 13:38:43
Yea Silver, I'm sure you're right about that. I'm just a Disney hater. : )
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xxhappyxx
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Posted - 2003/05/25 : 12:52:50
^^^ ok some1 has issues...!
on a ragga tip is sucha tune...ahh back in the day..
well i guess there are good and bad points about hhc going commercial like with most things, i dont think its really going to be a great tragedy if it does, but i really cant see it happening just because its so different and so much faster than all the stuff thats charting at the moment, althought the sound has changed quite a bit over the years and i think is probably more commercial now because stuff like bonkers X imo is alot more trancey than previous ones, but its still not enough not get it into the charts, which is fine by me bcos i still love it no matter what happens!
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/05/25 : 17:28:44
I don't really see it as a problem of underground/mainstream.
As its been previously mentioned: I like it cos of the sound, and not cos of the fact its underground.
If you trully loved the underground, I doubt you'd be on a "dot com" site. You'd be perusing the depthf of Usenet, the "alt" news boards and some obscure IRC server in Iceland. Thats underground.
But also, hardcore is quite different to most underground electronic music. It makes sense (listen to Aphex Twin and compare to Scott Brown). Hardcore has melody, patterns and a thumping bass.
Does this stop it from being mainstream? No. Drum & Bass remixes have been on the charts?
Personally, I wouldn't care....That much.
If I saw some 13 year old teenieboppers going on about Hixxy being the schiznit, I wouldn't blame the scene. I'd blame the huge magazine coporations who control the masses with every whim.
Hardcore as a style or a scene is growing and people will obviously latch on because of the "hard" factor, the "cool" factor or whatever, but I love hardcore because it is what it is.
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Stevie c
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Posted - 2003/05/26 : 05:30:47
Occasionally things will be successful like the 92 thing with SL2 and Prod, that has good and bad effects but if 13 year olds listening to it had bothered me, then by rights I can't and wouldn't have spoken to half the people on this site. In that sense popularity is good cos then we are assured new people in the scene and a 'Better Tomorrow' (teehee!) Being underground is much cooler but a lot harder. I love Hardcore as I love Old Skool weather its in or out, in that respect I join the camp strychnine. I couldn't give a monkey's arse if SY is a millionaire cos one track made it for him he becomes famous and lives happy ever after. Now I know SY is not a millioaire, but for all the music he has given me over the years if he becomes one then i will be very happy.
On the other hand I understand and DISLIKE certain sellouts. People who distort sounds purely for financial gains. They take excellent music, dilute it then sell it to Beer Boys and thick slappers. For all the slating MixMag suffered a few months back, credit is deserved for their article on Flip and Fill being put on trial. I would also like to see Max, Snap, Black Box and 2Unlimited put in the docks for their Crimes againest dance music.
Something gaining chart success does not for me turn it uncool or evil however commercialzation for the sake of it I dislike intensely. I agree with silver, the hardcore scene robs stuff so don't be surprised when they rob some of our styles. Seems odd that theirs usually sounds slower softer and bland when ours sounds Faster Happier Harder and Better.
Gee, I guess that's why I am in this scene.
Like Mouse I sway one way then the other. I also think that he is right, in the sense Hardcore may at times gain recognision (note John Peel in MixMag) but it will never become the most popular form of popular music. Only a select few can deal with its intensity,honesty and simplicity.
If everyone could, wouldn't it be a beatiful world? 8-)
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Kyle_Buffrey
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Posted - 2003/05/28 : 06:11:07
Happy Hardcore , although it has never gone fully commercial ( which I blame on the fact, most of it is released on vinyl only and is not mass produced on cd's that are accessable to the masses) , it does enjoy a degree of popularity that is equal to any huge pop act such as eminem or britney spears, in some regions of the u.k, especially among teenagers who may have had access to their older brother/sisters old tapes from the early to mid 90's. Yeah I admit , Trance and Hard house may have now eclipsed HHC in this area, but that's just trendyism for you.
All around the world and their artists such as flip and fill e.t.c can be said to have realised this regional popularity, capitalized on it, and took the piss out of it, as oppossed to respecting it,by making an effort to create original tracks in the hhc style, as opposed to ripping off old stale tracks, and adopting them to a commercial pop music style.
The North of the U.K appears to have the most loyal HHC following, but the U.S.A will be the big market if HHC , if it ever ets fully commercialized, judging from the growing scene over there. That's what i think anyway.
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