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Torpex
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 Posted - 2010/11/10 : 11:08:05
No, I know what you mean! I'm just saying that the very definition of this might be changing. I tried to illustrate it in my post.
On a related note, look at DJ Cotts. He's been a bit quiet lately (compared to a while ago at least), but I'd still bet he's at least on par with Hixxy when it comes to worldwide popularity. He plays UK hardcore, yet he's had no UK bookings. Food for thought. :)
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 12:43:05
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Originally posted by Torpex:
No, I know what you mean! I'm just saying that the very definition of this might be changing. I tried to illustrate it in my post.
On a related note, look at DJ Cotts. He's been a bit quiet lately (compared to a while ago at least), but I'd still bet he's at least on par with Hixxy when it comes to worldwide popularity. He plays UK hardcore, yet he's had no UK bookings. Food for thought. :)
thats because his uk bookings would consist of people who sit at computers watching youtube? :P
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 14:02:24
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
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Originally posted by Torpex:
No, I know what you mean! I'm just saying that the very definition of this might be changing. I tried to illustrate it in my post.
On a related note, look at DJ Cotts. He's been a bit quiet lately (compared to a while ago at least), but I'd still bet he's at least on par with Hixxy when it comes to worldwide popularity. He plays UK hardcore, yet he's had no UK bookings. Food for thought. :)
thats because his uk bookings would consist of people who sit at computers watching youtube? :P
exactly. imo most of the DJ's that actually do break into the scene don't deserve to be where they are. Not that Cotts isn't a good DJ but DJing isn't a skill anymore. Anyone can do it & no-one should have the status Cotts & Ravine have just because they were a hit on youtube. Plz tell me one defining track that they've made that merits why they have the popularity they have today.
Labels are just cashing in on this popularity because they know it'll help with sales & it's taking places away from extremely talented & ground breaking producers who should be breaking through. These days big name producers are not just teaching new kids the ropes & letting them create something defining but instead doing the work for them.
This isn't introducing new talent to the scene, this is X Factor come to Hardcore although atleast some of the people on X Factor have talent. This sort of thing is doing more damage to our scene than good.
I used to be naive I think if I kept working hard & trying new & exciting ideas (not that I expect to be anywhere in the scene at the min. I've got a looong way to go) I could actually become a major player in the scene in a decade's time but it's very clear that this will never be a possibility. Theres no room at the top for producers that push the boundaries anymore unlike how it was before. It's sad but true. This will never stop me however because I have an insane passion to make defining music even if I don't make it big. There will always be those people out there that appreciate it anyway & thats enough for me.
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 14:15:06
for the record my sarchy comment wasnt a dig at cotts - was just in fun...but still mostly true :P
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redwingz
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 14:43:30
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
can I ask a question in return of
"who are these fresh and original "talents" that arent making any headroom that you're refering to?"
But as for your Q? I like a lot of up n coming artists!!
Triq dont think you will like them tho;)
Rescue
4orce
Alex Bassjunkie
Modulate & Pettruccio (They dont get the recognition they deserve imo)
Steven Davidson
D-Linquants
B-Tek
Stu Infinity
Hyperforce (Another one who dont get the recognition)
Nu Foundation
Defekt.....
Just to go through your list a little bit....
Rescue - Has a fair few pieces coming out on 'Go Tell Ya Momma' soon.
4orce - He may be talented, but I couldnt name one of his tracks off the top of my head tbh.
Alex Bassjunkie - The reasons for him being on that list in all honesty is probably largely down to the fact that he runs his own label and releases all his own material on it. So he is never getting recognition from bigger labels, which ultimately is what you need to move up the 'ladder'. But Im sure ABJ is happy with his label and I dont see him complaining.
Modulate & Petruccio - Petruccio has been getting bigger bookings lately on the back of 'Wet Knickers' such as playing at HU v Ravers Are. That track also got No.1 on TID and is on HU 2010 album...he has also had tracks on other albums, including CXH! So id hardly say he isnt getting recognition, not many people get on CXH! Modulate, Im not sure he DJs, and if you dont DJ, you will only ever get so far....DJing puts you out to a bigger audience than making tunes does...(look at Cotts & Ravine). Modulate does a bit in other scenes though and does engineering work for people.
Steven Davidson - IMO doesnt seem to push himself....I cant remember the last time I saw him promote one of his tracks somewhere. Success wont find him, he has to go out and get it for himself a bit.
D-Linquants - Still VERY new. Aaron was producing as A.C1 until late last year. Things arent going to happen over night for them...give them chance.
B-Tek - What labels are his tracks released on? If you arent getting releases on relatively well known labels, no one will even know your tracks are released.
Stu Infinity - Hes a good producer, hasnt he had stuff on ReBuild? Also had a hand in 'Last Goodbye' which has been remixed by Squad-E and is being released on NextGen isnt it? Hes doing fine at the moment, hes still very young and very new, hes just trying to finish tracks for various labels so he told me...so hes on the right path.
Hyperforce - I dont think the name change helped. He built a decent reputation as Himbo. But he gets a fair amount of bookings, Ive seen him on loads of flyers.
Nu Foundation - Signed to one of the best labels in hardcore, not doing so badly. However, living in Ireland holds him back on the bookings front as you would have to pay to fly him over here, but he knows this himself. He was nominated for best producer at the HH awards and he has just done a guestmix on the NG podcast, he has had tracks on Bonkers and other big compilations and mixed HU3. He is progressing much quicker in trance than he has in hardcore, but now with fracus & darwin winning breakthrough, I would expect him to be pushed a bit more.
Defekt - Same as ABJ. Talented but you have to question wether as a new producer its a good idea to run your own label or to try and get your tracks on various labels to put your name about?
A couple on your list arent getting recognition because to be honest they havent earned it yet lol harsh but true. You need to be getting regular releases as a newcomer and on different labels would help. Take Rescue for example, he has 5 tracks f/c on GTYM....so you can guarantee Hyperforce, Wiggi and Ben X-Treme will all be playing those tracks out live, so it gets his tracks heard and respected DJs playing them. If you run your own label, you are probably the biggest name playing them....Why would Brisk, Sy, Dougal etc buy your mp3 with the amount of promos they get sent?
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 16:38:24
quote:
Originally posted by redwingz:
quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
can I ask a question in return of
"who are these fresh and original "talents" that arent making any headroom that you're refering to?"
But as for your Q? I like a lot of up n coming artists!!
Triq dont think you will like them tho;)
Rescue
4orce
Alex Bassjunkie
Modulate & Pettruccio (They dont get the recognition they deserve imo)
Steven Davidson
D-Linquants
B-Tek
Stu Infinity
Hyperforce (Another one who dont get the recognition)
Nu Foundation
Defekt.....
Just to go through your list a little bit....
Rescue - Has a fair few pieces coming out on 'Go Tell Ya Momma' soon.
4orce - He may be talented, but I couldnt name one of his tracks off the top of my head tbh.
Alex Bassjunkie - The reasons for him being on that list in all honesty is probably largely down to the fact that he runs his own label and releases all his own material on it. So he is never getting recognition from bigger labels, which ultimately is what you need to move up the 'ladder'. But Im sure ABJ is happy with his label and I dont see him complaining.
Modulate & Petruccio - Petruccio has been getting bigger bookings lately on the back of 'Wet Knickers' such as playing at HU v Ravers Are. That track also got No.1 on TID and is on HU 2010 album...he has also had tracks on other albums, including CXH! So id hardly say he isnt getting recognition, not many people get on CXH! Modulate, Im not sure he DJs, and if you dont DJ, you will only ever get so far....DJing puts you out to a bigger audience than making tunes does...(look at Cotts & Ravine). Modulate does a bit in other scenes though and does engineering work for people.
Steven Davidson - IMO doesnt seem to push himself....I cant remember the last time I saw him promote one of his tracks somewhere. Success wont find him, he has to go out and get it for himself a bit.
D-Linquants - Still VERY new. Aaron was producing as A.C1 until late last year. Things arent going to happen over night for them...give them chance.
B-Tek - What labels are his tracks released on? If you arent getting releases on relatively well known labels, no one will even know your tracks are released.
Stu Infinity - Hes a good producer, hasnt he had stuff on ReBuild? Also had a hand in 'Last Goodbye' which has been remixed by Squad-E and is being released on NextGen isnt it? Hes doing fine at the moment, hes still very young and very new, hes just trying to finish tracks for various labels so he told me...so hes on the right path.
Hyperforce - I dont think the name change helped. He built a decent reputation as Himbo. But he gets a fair amount of bookings, Ive seen him on loads of flyers.
Nu Foundation - Signed to one of the best labels in hardcore, not doing so badly. However, living in Ireland holds him back on the bookings front as you would have to pay to fly him over here, but he knows this himself. He was nominated for best producer at the HH awards and he has just done a guestmix on the NG podcast, he has had tracks on Bonkers and other big compilations and mixed HU3. He is progressing much quicker in trance than he has in hardcore, but now with fracus & darwin winning breakthrough, I would expect him to be pushed a bit more.
Defekt - Same as ABJ. Talented but you have to question wether as a new producer its a good idea to run your own label or to try and get your tracks on various labels to put your name about?
A couple on your list arent getting recognition because to be honest they havent earned it yet lol harsh but true. You need to be getting regular releases as a newcomer and on different labels would help. Take Rescue for example, he has 5 tracks f/c on GTYM....so you can guarantee Hyperforce, Wiggi and Ben X-Treme will all be playing those tracks out live, so it gets his tracks heard and respected DJs playing them. If you run your own label, you are probably the biggest name playing them....Why would Brisk, Sy, Dougal etc buy your mp3 with the amount of promos they get sent?
Bloody hell m8 that was in depth.. But i liked it, also i know about all the producers on the list and what there doing (NO OFFENCE at all) But im glad there is someone else out there who keeps up to date with the people i named. Also yea i know Rescue has been signed to GTYM, i am signed to his label, am gutted he his going but i know he deserves to be on a BIG label and i know hes going to do really well in the future... But thanks for taking the time to reply with so much info m8 its appreciated!!! ;)
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 16:55:04
No worries dude :) I gathered you may already know all that lol. Oh well, maybe others are wondering haha
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 17:12:23
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No worries dude :) I gathered you may already know all that lol. Oh well, maybe others are wondering haha
Mate i think if anyone dont know about those artist's then they will now :P
Hows ya label going anyway??
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redwingz
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 18:07:09
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
No worries dude :) I gathered you may already know all that lol. Oh well, maybe others are wondering haha
Mate i think if anyone dont know about those artist's then they will now :P
Hows ya label going anyway??
Not bad thanks dude :) New releases are out, so Im pretty pleased haha, just preparing stuff to start 2011 on the right foot now
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kathryn
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 19:09:26
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
pfffffffffft theres plenty of "new" just not alot of "talent"
:P talent isnt making music that sounds the same as the last piece that was defecated out of a VST Preset list.
Triquatra somethings really got you pissed off lately. So i totally disagree with you when yuo say not a lot of talent!!
Who do you like in the scene then??
No it's just that Hardcore is that shit currently. You won't see why because it's that very same music that your into. If you got into Hardcore in recent years then you got into it because you like how it now sounds, which is an entirely different genre from what it was. And what it was is what people like Triq, me etc were into.
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 22:42:12
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
Rescue
4orce
Alex Bassjunkie
Modulate & Pettruccio (They dont get the recognition they deserve imo)
Steven Davidson
D-Linquants
B-Tek
Stu Infinity
Hyperforce (Another one who dont get the recognition)
Nu Foundation
Defekt.....
Some of those are way to new to actually considering getting help before most people
Nu Foundation is the only one that's been around for atleast 5+ years now. He's getting recognition from Al Storm on his labels, so I cant really say he's overlooked. How many of the others have made any appearance on other labels than mp3-only?
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 22:58:23
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
Rescue
4orce
Alex Bassjunkie
Modulate & Pettruccio (They dont get the recognition they deserve imo)
Steven Davidson
D-Linquants
B-Tek
Stu Infinity
Hyperforce (Another one who dont get the recognition)
Nu Foundation
Defekt.....
Some of those are way to new to actually considering getting help before most people
Nu Foundation is the only one that's been around for atleast 5+ years now. He's getting recognition from Al Storm on his labels, so I cant really say he's overlooked. How many of the others have made any appearance on other labels than mp3-only?
Hmmm... I dont think releases on Vinyl should be a measure for a producers success..
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Posted - 2010/11/10 : 23:13:49
^^ one should measure their sucess against oneself.
if you think that getting a vinyl release is sucessful, then so be it
race against yourself. not other people, or other peoples ideals of success!
the important thing is to figure out what you actually want out of music.
music shouldnt even be a race - it should be an expression
and if your expression sounds just like the last piece of UK hardcore someone else made...well...surely you are just cheating on yourself.
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 02:28:39
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
Rescue
4orce
Alex Bassjunkie
Modulate & Pettruccio (They dont get the recognition they deserve imo)
Steven Davidson
D-Linquants
B-Tek
Stu Infinity
Hyperforce (Another one who dont get the recognition)
Nu Foundation
Defekt.....
Some of those are way to new to actually considering getting help before most people
Nu Foundation is the only one that's been around for atleast 5+ years now. He's getting recognition from Al Storm on his labels, so I cant really say he's overlooked. How many of the others have made any appearance on other labels than mp3-only?
Hmmm... I dont think releases on Vinyl should be a measure for a producers success..
Perhaps now... However, until recently, it was a pretty solid gauge of success. Labels won't spend money pressing music that isn't of a certain standard (financial risk would be too high).
With that said, it's almost all gone digital now, so it's a bit irrelevant. Getting on a recognized compilation is a better gauge of success.
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 05:08:13
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
Rescue
4orce
Alex Bassjunkie
Modulate & Pettruccio (They dont get the recognition they deserve imo)
Steven Davidson
D-Linquants
B-Tek
Stu Infinity
Hyperforce (Another one who dont get the recognition)
Nu Foundation
Defekt.....
Some of those are way to new to actually considering getting help before most people
Nu Foundation is the only one that's been around for atleast 5+ years now. He's getting recognition from Al Storm on his labels, so I cant really say he's overlooked. How many of the others have made any appearance on other labels than mp3-only?
Hmmm... I dont think releases on Vinyl should be a measure for a producers success..
Perhaps now... However, until recently, it was a pretty solid gauge of success. Labels won't spend money pressing music that isn't of a certain standard (financial risk would be too high).
With that said, it's almost all gone digital now, so it's a bit irrelevant. Getting on a recognized compilation is a better gauge of success.
Yeah. I mean, vinyl wont last long in Hardcore. Its not a sustainable business in an industry that earns you scraps. As CLSM said in the USH thread I linked us to earlier, the biggest labels have found a newer younger generation, and less of them will have turntables and buy vinyls.
Success would only really be measured by how many releases they have on whatever labels, and what people generally think of them. ...Or just sales figures but we dont have access to them.
As for vinyl, I can only see it lasting a few more years in Drum & Bass, Trance and other areas of Electronic. They have larger markets, larger demand, and that keeps it afloat. I think in 2008 they achieved more vinyl sales than ever before. Its a shame Hardcore missed out...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/7398399/Vinyl-records-sales-rising-as-old-fashioned-albums-enjoy-a-renaissance.html
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9124699/Back_to_the_future_Vinyl_record_sales_double_in_08_CDs_down
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