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kathryn
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 Posted - 2010/11/11 : 09:00:18
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
Rescue
4orce
Alex Bassjunkie
Modulate & Pettruccio (They dont get the recognition they deserve imo)
Steven Davidson
D-Linquants
B-Tek
Stu Infinity
Hyperforce (Another one who dont get the recognition)
Nu Foundation
Defekt.....
Some of those are way to new to actually considering getting help before most people
Nu Foundation is the only one that's been around for atleast 5+ years now. He's getting recognition from Al Storm on his labels, so I cant really say he's overlooked. How many of the others have made any appearance on other labels than mp3-only?
Hmmm... I dont think releases on Vinyl should be a measure for a producers success..
What a stupid thing to say
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 09:07:16
well vinyl shouldn't have been a measure of quality, since it's usually isn't anyways, a lot of proper crap has gone vinyl too.
But how it's now with digital labels, there's no real proper quality control. IMO is riddled with stuff that shouldn't be sold, but rather given out till the artist finally grasp the tool he or she is using.
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 09:48:28
I agree with a few bits people are saying.
1 - I think success should count on vinyl releases. Not this day in age anyways.
2 - But i agree with some of the digital stuff that gets released is poor, really poor.
3 - I dont think it matters how long you have been around, if your producing top quality stuff all the time, then i think you should get more recognition!!
But like someone said its all about who you know!!!
Theres a few people in the scene who got there fast cuz of who they knew!!!
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 11:49:31
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Originally posted by kathryn:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
Rescue
4orce
Alex Bassjunkie
Modulate & Pettruccio (They dont get the recognition they deserve imo)
Steven Davidson
D-Linquants
B-Tek
Stu Infinity
Hyperforce (Another one who dont get the recognition)
Nu Foundation
Defekt.....
Some of those are way to new to actually considering getting help before most people
Nu Foundation is the only one that's been around for atleast 5+ years now. He's getting recognition from Al Storm on his labels, so I cant really say he's overlooked. How many of the others have made any appearance on other labels than mp3-only?
Hmmm... I dont think releases on Vinyl should be a measure for a producers success..
What a stupid thing to say
Well its not. Or at least it shouldnt be.
Ten to twenty years ago, there used to be one hit wonder producers with vinyl releases, but they certainly werent always successful.
In this day and age, drum and bass has frequent vinyl releases from Hospital and Ram and so on. Its a format that is regularly bought and used. Its not a huge success to get a release on Vinyl, because the same artist might never get tunes played out at events or on the radio much. Some of the Med School Nu Blood vinyl releases are bought by a miniscule amount of people that collectively keep those artists afloat, but compared to many other producers in the scene, they are the equivalent of Alex Bassjunkie or any other adjacent hardcore Digital release regular.
In hardcore, if success is getting a vinyl release, it says allot about how small our scene or 'industry' is compared to what it was. It seems that HU and Raverbaby and a handful of other labels press vinyl, but they have the money to.
Another label, Nu Energy has had vinyl pressed, and artists such as A.B, Ephexis and Synthwulf have featured on them. Would you say they are successful? I only ever hear their tunes on the NEC podcast...
Vinyl should not be considered a measure of success within the hardcore scene, only a measure of a labels wealth. And money can come from anywhere. Darren Styles for example probably funds his label with money he's earnt with commercial dance tracks that got C listed or maybe hit the charts. That's an assumption, of course, but there's no guarentee that his money has come from hardcore that can fund vinyl releases.
Obviously nothing I've said is factual, only how I perceive it so correct me if I'm wrong.
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 13:01:16
OOOOOPSSSS my bad :P
I meant success SHOULDN'T count on vinyl releases!!!!!
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 13:03:14
OOOOPSS MY BAD... :P
I meant success SHOULDN'T count on vinyl releases!!!!!
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 15:51:12
Triq: Yes Darwin IS Deeper Territory ;) http://www.myspace.com/darwindeeperterritory
And yes DJ Cotts is very popular but I think DJ Ravine even more! Just check the number of fans he has on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/RavineDJ
This is more than a lot of proffesional producers (not only Hardcore) but probably also because he's playing pretty much everything from HHC, Hardstyle to Electro and I don't know what else ;)
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 16:27:43
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Triq: Yes Darwin IS Deeper Territory ;) http://www.myspace.com/darwindeeperterritory
And yes DJ Cotts is very popular but I think DJ Ravine even more! Just check the number of fans he has on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/RavineDJ
This is more than a lot of proffesional producers (not only Hardcore) but probably also because he's playing pretty much everything from HHC, Hardstyle to Electro and I don't know what else ;)
DJ Rankin is also recognised as a famous person. What is your point? :)
Acid: Don't know if you've said it, but you never did like freeform did you? That might be the reason why you dont know their names. Synthwlf have produced tracks since 2005 I think (he sold them himself back then).
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 16:39:36
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Triq: Yes Darwin IS Deeper Territory ;) http://www.myspace.com/darwindeeperterritory
And yes DJ Cotts is very popular but I think DJ Ravine even more! Just check the number of fans he has on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/RavineDJ
This is more than a lot of proffesional producers (not only Hardcore) but probably also because he's playing pretty much everything from HHC, Hardstyle to Electro and I don't know what else ;)
DJ Rankin is also recognised as a famous person. What is your point? :)
Acid: Don't know if you've said it, but you never did like freeform did you? That might be the reason why you dont know their names. Synthwlf have produced tracks since 2005 I think (he sold them himself back then).
What names did I get wrong? I love freeform.
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 17:37:52
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Triq: Yes Darwin IS Deeper Territory ;) http://www.myspace.com/darwindeeperterritory
And yes DJ Cotts is very popular but I think DJ Ravine even more! Just check the number of fans he has on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/RavineDJ
This is more than a lot of proffesional producers (not only Hardcore) but probably also because he's playing pretty much everything from HHC, Hardstyle to Electro and I don't know what else ;)
DJ Rankin is also recognised as a famous person. What is your point? :)
Acid: Don't know if you've said it, but you never did like freeform did you? That might be the reason why you dont know their names. Synthwlf have produced tracks since 2005 I think (he sold them himself back then).
What names did I get wrong? I love freeform.
A.B is fairly new to me to, but I've seen the Ephexis a few years now
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/11/11 : 23:34:11
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Triq: Yes Darwin IS Deeper Territory ;) http://www.myspace.com/darwindeeperterritory
And yes DJ Cotts is very popular but I think DJ Ravine even more! Just check the number of fans he has on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/RavineDJ
This is more than a lot of proffesional producers (not only Hardcore) but probably also because he's playing pretty much everything from HHC, Hardstyle to Electro and I don't know what else ;)
DJ Rankin is also recognised as a famous person. What is your point? :)
lol i agree the # of fb fans doesn't mean anything. look at Tila Tequila, the person who had the most myspace fans. yea it got her 2 reality shows and whatnot but the woman is a mess and not that attractive imo. it doesn't mean she's the greatest thing that has ever happened to hollywood
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2010/11/12 : 20:21:03
I only read the first few posts because I don't have a lot of time so sorry if this has already been said, but...
The main reason no new talent gets through is because the scene isn't big enough. The amount of people at the top is directly related to the amount of people at the bottom. Unless the scene expands, nothing else can expand. And hardcore has been static or shrinking in the last 10 years or so, not growing.
Everything is a cycle. The reason for the scene staying static is that when all the record sales dropped, many of the artists stuck to what they knew would sell, because they couldn't afford to lose money. This is self perpetuating, ie the fact that they only sold what was safe, meant that only safe music would sell. When the scene bottomed out and reached its lowest point, everything stopped progressing, because there was no room for progression if everyone is playing safe. But lack of progression in music leads to stagnation, so nothing new can grow.
People come into the rave scene, and are bored of it a year later and leave again. The result is nothing changes, and it wont change, because every year there is a new group of people joining just as the old group leave. This means there is no foundation, except for the people who stayed with it during the fall - ie, Hixxy, Sy, etc etc. While its commendable that they stayed with it and didn't leave, everyone got into a routine based on the working of a stagnant scene, because that is all that can work.
For it to change, there will need to be a lot of new, fresh sounding music, so that the people who joined last year are still interested, and will remain with the scene instead of leaving. For that to happen, the people at the top have to take risks - which is unlikely to happen - or the people at the bottom have to release better music themselves and not sign with the biggest labels. Not because of anything against the biggest labels, but because they need to be shaken out of their safety zone, and the best way to do that is through competition.
None of what we need can be organized by any one person, it cant be controlled nor forced. It takes a lot of the new producers sticking with it despite no immediate reward, it takes patience, commitments, and most of all, it takes integrity - something the hardcore scene is sadly lacking.
Even so, it will happen. It is inevitable, because no music ever really dies, it just goes through periods of waiting. The hardcore scene has been "flat" for a while now, so I am hopeful that it will start to change in the next few years. I am hoping the latest batch of good producers will stick around, and will get their music out there without compromise. In this, the MP3 deal has leveled the playing field, so I hope it will work for the scene rather than against it, because the truth is, you don't need the big labels anymore - you don't need anything but yourself and a willingness to take a few risks.
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2010/11/12 : 21:09:30
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
bottom line is - making hardcore these days isnt much of a talent, it just requires a small knowledge of how to illegally get a DAW, a few VSTs (pfft, why a few? nexus will cut it for these purposes) and then a couple of preset banks off KVR...they're like the"script-kiddies" of hardcore lol
I think there actually is some talent. I think the most important is creativity (new ideas), one of the most powerful things in any sort of production, but there's just not enough of it. Thats why we mostly hear just the same-sounding songs and it seems like theres no talent ;).
It's too difficult 2 stand out in UKHC scene nowadays because UKHC is very complicated genre with a plenty of options and u cant break deep enough into the scene if ure not "perfect" enough, so thats why many people use presets, except if theyre intelligent and patient enough 2 make ther own presets (thats why its very good 2 load a preset and modify it - much easier and nearly as good).
But managing music-production programs even with awesome preset banks for very most of the people would be impossible.
But as I told u, creativity is an important talent. Not everyone can think of good ideas. There are some perfectly-made songs that i dislike and imperfect ones that I like. I think u have ur own examples too. Without creativity (and enough intelligence), u can only make another boring UKHC song.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2010/11/12 : 21:20:43
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
I only read the first few posts because I don't have a lot of time so sorry if this has already been said, but...
The main reason no new talent gets through is because the scene isn't big enough. The amount of people at the top is directly related to the amount of people at the bottom. Unless the scene expands, nothing else can expand. And hardcore has been static or shrinking in the last 10 years or so, not growing.
Everything is a cycle. The reason for the scene staying static is that when all the record sales dropped, many of the artists stuck to what they knew would sell, because they couldn't afford to lose money. This is self perpetuating, ie the fact that they only sold what was safe, meant that only safe music would sell. When the scene bottomed out and reached its lowest point, everything stopped progressing, because there was no room for progression if everyone is playing safe. But lack of progression in music leads to stagnation, so nothing new can grow.
People come into the rave scene, and are bored of it a year later and leave again. The result is nothing changes, and it wont change, because every year there is a new group of people joining just as the old group leave. This means there is no foundation, except for the people who stayed with it during the fall - ie, Hixxy, Sy, etc etc. While its commendable that they stayed with it and didn't leave, everyone got into a routine based on the working of a stagnant scene, because that is all that can work.
For it to change, there will need to be a lot of new, fresh sounding music, so that the people who joined last year are still interested, and will remain with the scene instead of leaving. For that to happen, the people at the top have to take risks - which is unlikely to happen - or the people at the bottom have to release better music themselves and not sign with the biggest labels. Not because of anything against the biggest labels, but because they need to be shaken out of their safety zone, and the best way to do that is through competition.
None of what we need can be organized by any one person, it cant be controlled nor forced. It takes a lot of the new producers sticking with it despite no immediate reward, it takes patience, commitments, and most of all, it takes integrity - something the hardcore scene is sadly lacking.
Even so, it will happen. It is inevitable, because no music ever really dies, it just goes through periods of waiting. The hardcore scene has been "flat" for a while now, so I am hopeful that it will start to change in the next few years. I am hoping the latest batch of good producers will stick around, and will get their music out there without compromise. In this, the MP3 deal has leveled the playing field, so I hope it will work for the scene rather than against it, because the truth is, you don't need the big labels anymore - you don't need anything but yourself and a willingness to take a few risks.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/11/12 : 22:31:40
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Without creativity (and enough intelligence), u can only make another boring UKHC song.
And thus the UK Hardcore scene is as it is :P
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