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bLOODY_dAN
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Posted - 2005/06/29 : 20:49:09

quote:
Originally posted by ryg0r:
I've been asking myself that question alot in the past few days. I'm getting disillusioned with the scene.

I like my hardcore, its fun, its happy. But now-a-days, its not doing it for me. I'm not talking about current stuff vs old skool. I mean, the genre in itself is not doing it for me. As you may have read on my site, I do want to do some big things, but the feasiblity of sucess is low. As I've said to a couple of the guys:

No-one likes to board a sinking ship.

I see the ventures that I want to take as boarding a sinking ship, which will one day just collapse. Its incredibly hard for a relatively new guy (such as myself) to break into a very tight-knit scene. Coupled with this discouragement and the fact that vinyl sales are an all time low (for the smaller independent labels) I feel like its not the place for me any more.

So I put the question back to you: Why hardcore?

^^^What a lil Bitch^^^ Is this all about being cool or what? What ever happend to the music man? Its sad to think that people like you exsist....Sad Sad indeed yes. If hardcore dies, its because of people like you.......

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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/06/30 : 00:59:30

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Originally posted by MC SARS:
^^^What a lil Bitch^^^ Is this all about being cool or what? What ever happend to the music man? Its sad to think that people like you exsist....Sad Sad indeed yes. If hardcore dies, its because of people like you.......

Well listen up faggot. People like me do exsist. I make music because I love making music. Its not about about being cool. Its about whether I should bother to continue making music if its not going to go anywhere.

Let me tell you something about record labels. Its a massive invest to get something pressed. I'm talking thousands of dollars. So if the labels don't pick up my tracks and I still want to get them pressed, its going to cost me thousands of dollars. And I probably will sell 200 records at most and be left with a tonne of them in my room gathering dust. That concerns me because is means 2 things:

1.) Vinyl sales are slowing down so labels will only press what they will sell and not take risks, and
2.) Once again, new talent will not get a fair go.

I was having a whinge because new talent isn't getting a fair go. Its not getting picked up and pushed. I have several new fresh tracks floating around as promos which will most likely not get signed to any label because its a far too risky investment. Thats why I was having a whinge.

If hardcore dies, its because of people like you....... Well yes. People like me who dared to be different, who wanted to add diversity to the scene, but instead got shot down, discouraged and disappointed with it all.

So the next time you open your stupid trap, think about what I'm trying to say before you reply.

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Edited by - ryg0r on 2005/06/30 01:03:10

Sean Apollo
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Posted - 2005/06/30 : 06:04:58

MC Sars, The real problem is people like you that are to scared to face the truth.

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TypeR
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Posted - 2005/06/30 : 06:30:24

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^^^What a lil Bitch^^^ Is this all about being cool or what? What ever happend to the music man? Its sad to think that people like you exsist....Sad Sad indeed yes. If hardcore dies, its because of people like you.......

This isn't how a Respected producer of some of the finest tracks that have been played and in the boxes of the biggest hardcore dj's in the world should be talked to. If you had any dignity SARS, I would apologize, because if you want a career as a "MC" or be able to MC for any real dj any time soon, that was a fatal system error. Take note that Rygor has 5 tracks on HT3. If he is killing hardcore then he is going about it in the wrong way.

You have lost alot of respect and credibility by your statements. Sam is a friend and a collegue of many people on this forum, and that was the wrong thing to do.

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TypeR
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Posted - 2005/06/30 : 06:53:06

quote:
If hardcore dies, its because of people like you....... Well yes. People like me who dared to be different, who wanted to add diversity to the scene, but instead got shot down, discouraged and disappointed with it all.

quote:
MC Sars, The real problem is people like you that are to scared to face the truth.

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href="[email protected]" target="_blank" [email protected]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">rel="nofollow">[email protected]
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Edited by - TypeR on 2005/06/30 06:59:45

Ionosphere
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Posted - 2005/06/30 : 19:31:31

IMO, mjdream hit the nail on the head. "Fantasies".

We've been making Dance Music for well over ten years with no belief that we'd make a living from it.
We do it because we love doing it.
If, and that is an impossibly big if, we gain fame and fortune from it, we'll worry about it then.
We earn our livings from ordinary jobs which give us the Place and Equipment but not enough time to do what we love.

IMO, when you become familiar with any 'Scene', not just music scene, you'll become disillusioned because most things in life aren't as 'cool' as they first appear.

Hence mjdream's insight. "Fantasies".

If you love it, Do it.
If you don't, then do something else.

Simple.

In rygOr's case he's damned good and shouldn't be disillusioned.

The Cream eventually rises to the top.

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Entity
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Posted - 2005/07/01 : 00:18:18

Damn straight ryg0r's good. I'm not crawling up his ass or nothing but he's certainly got something that's worth sharing. (oo-er!)

ryg0r, stick to your guns mate, you're on the other side of the fence so to speak unlike the majority here so we rely on you and others like you to keep the hardcore machine up and running. Hardcore's malleable, it's what people like YOU make it. If you're not too happy with current trends then go your own way mate. I've heard some of your stuff and you're certainly creative so if you want to try a new approach then go for it. I know there's risks involved if you try something new but if you don't try then you'll never know.

Ionosphere's comment about the cream eventually rising to the top is probably the most sensible comment that they've ever put! [/joke]
If all the hardworking producers who are fighting for the scene all give up and move on then who's left?

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Edited by - Entity on 2005/07/01 00:26:28

tunnelrush
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Posted - 2005/07/01 : 01:06:16

Ice is right....
Here in Cali (mostly ANY part of the US for that matter) nobody listens to what i do. Cant find anybody that i dont already know that has even heard of Hardcore, let alone the artists' in the scene

Exposing Hardcore music to people is fun for me. mainly because they actually LIKE it.

Im here to stay....There are just WAY to many good producers' and tunes' that have to be heard.

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Kryptic
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Posted - 2005/07/01 : 04:24:29

Make music that you love. Dj music that you love to play whatever it is. I remember my cousin saying to me, "I' am a hardcore Dj plain and simple" so my reply to him was "I'am a dance music Dj" as corny as the label sounds that is what I love. If I can make a room get off their asses and dance to Trance, House, Hardcore, Gabber, DnB all in one set I'll do what I want to complish as a Dj. "If you are unknown, the Catch 22 of the music business is this - if you don't do something fresh, you get ignored, but if you do, no one buys it, because it is a risk, and most people are followers, not leaders. My advice is do what you like doing, and **** everything else... you might not be "successful", but you will be you... " - Luna C
If someone says All I want is to listen to hardcore music, I really think they shouldn't be listening to music in the first place. You have to be able to ingest every kind of sound you love it for what it is. Luna C' Supa Set's is the king of this in my eyes. He blows me away with his mixes that blends all of this awesome dance music together.
The Energy, The Melodies, The Feeling you get from hardcore is why I love this music so much.

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e-lucid
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Posted - 2005/11/29 : 00:35:28

I've been asking myself that question alot in the past few days. I'm getting disillusioned with the scene.

I like my hardcore, its fun, its happy. But now-a-days, its not doing it for me. I'm not talking about current stuff vs old skool. I mean, the genre in itself is not doing it for me. As you may have read on my site, I do want to do some big things, but the feasiblity of sucess is low. As I've said to a couple of the guys:

No-one likes to board a sinking ship.

I see the ventures that I want to take as boarding a sinking ship, which will one day just collapse. Its incredibly hard for a relatively new guy (such as myself) to break into a very tight-knit scene. Coupled with this discouragement and the fact that vinyl sales are an all time low (for the smaller independent labels) I feel like its not the place for me any more.

So I put the question back to you: Why hardcore?

If you truely love hardcore then there'd be no option but to carry on, if it wasn't for these money issues.

If the encouragement from this board doesnt fill you with the confidence to invest then maybe you should look back at what you have achieved so far because in my opinion you've already wormed your way into a tightly knit industry, is it really worth giving it all up at this stage, to in effect start again?

Do you really love the music, is hardcore the 21st century rush u can't touch

Like your work

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ecstatic_manic_erocdrah
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Posted - 2005/11/29 : 02:21:53

quote:
Originally posted by ryg0r:
I've been asking myself that question alot in the past few days. I'm getting disillusioned with the scene.

I like my hardcore, its fun, its happy. But now-a-days, its not doing it for me. I'm not talking about current stuff vs old skool. I mean, the genre in itself is not doing it for me. As you may have read on my site, I do want to do some big things, but the feasiblity of sucess is low. As I've said to a couple of the guys:

No-one likes to board a sinking ship.

I see the ventures that I want to take as boarding a sinking ship, which will one day just collapse. Its incredibly hard for a relatively new guy (such as myself) to break into a very tight-knit scene. Coupled with this discouragement and the fact that vinyl sales are an all time low (for the smaller independent labels) I feel like its not the place for me any more.

So I put the question back to you: Why hardcore?

For clips, remixes and information about my releases visit:
http://www.commandobot.com

why Hardcore? hmm wow I ask my self alot why did I choose to join a scene so undeground your right "discouraging"? I don't think I could ever produce hardcore and make it big at all(diff story). Most hardcores want some cookie cutter speed and such. Look at the UK from the US there is a big division in where the best parties and djs are. We need to change that we need to include all countries which I think hardcore is trying to do that and have more djs but look at all these hardcore labels that are so random and sporadic labels. I really don't know where hardcore and me stand in the future but I think of all the awesome tracks that actually have broke mold and just keep doin what your doin and be more unique for yourself as a dj and a producer. Just keep evolving just like the HARDCORE SCENE Did that make sense? lmao I rambled.....

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jenks
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Posted - 2005/11/29 : 04:54:59

Digital labels are the way forward...

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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/11/29 : 07:41:39

Goodness me, I thought this topic died long ago.

Like 5 months ago.

Anyway, I would like to report that while I often get disallusioned, I've been powering on and the fruits of labour are beginning show.

There is still alot of hardcore left in me, don't worry about that. I know I did say I was going to going to go on a "break" but alas, thats been pushed back due to the amount of stuff going on