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DarrenJ
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 Posted - 2005/07/02 : 02:41:29
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Originally posted by Denile:
at the end of the day, hardcore is being released - thats the main thing....
does it really matter what label its released on ??
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Chris B
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Posted - 2005/07/02 : 10:22:12
When did this strange new rule come about that if your into hardcore you cant like hard trance/dance etc. Very weird if you ask me.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2005/07/02 : 11:40:51
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Originally posted by Baldo:
When did this strange new rule come about that if your into hardcore you cant like hard trance/dance etc. Very weird if you ask me.
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I dont think theres a rule about not likin other genre of music i just think some people make a point cos this is a happy hardcore site and if you like other genres of music then go onto websites dedicated to that kinda music.
Hope that makes sense 
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katrinar50
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Posted - 2005/07/03 : 01:30:21
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Originally posted by Dave Murray:
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Originally posted by kathryn:
I saw the advert for 'Tidy Euphoria' last night and it seems good but like a fellow raver said to me 'Keep it hardcore' and i will.
All u mad crashers 'Blast the speakers'
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2005/07/03 : 20:41:49
Personally, I think is sucks. The reasons are not as simple as people are saying...Hardcore right now is a tough industry to be in. Its very hard to sell records and if you look around, we are in July and there has been less hardcore released than usual.
The trouble with the labels mentioned is they can afford to release stuff and make it commercial - as in "lets make sure all the music is radio friendly with the potential to cross over into mainstream". Because they can and do have the links to ensure that the music they put out is noticed, hardcore will become as bland as hard house. They will take what money they can, then drop it like a stone.
In the meantime, smaller labels dont get a look in, anything that doesn't sound like their stuff doesn't stand a chance. So artists make tunes that they can sell to these labels instead of making tunes that they want to make - because you have to earn a living, right?So you have less originality, and less music being put out with any intergrity...this happens to a lesser extent with Bonkers - but at least Bonkers has paid its dues and is supported by hardcore Dj's who genuinely care about the scene. Flip'n'Fill? Cant see them hanging about once the money's gone, can you?
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JesterDJ
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Posted - 2005/07/03 : 23:31:18
Hardcore is a genre that is closer to the fans than any other genre out there this is a fact.
how many genres are there where after a dj's set, they will go onto the dancefloor stand there with a beer and just enjoy the crowd? there is a sense of community of hardcore and this is only found amongst the most serious of hardcore fans so basically as long as the true fans stay and listen to the music, whatever happens in regards to commerce of hardcore, when it all breaks back down there will be the original fans. the ones that watched hardcore rise, and then fall again and as DMS, a man who's opinions i always have great respect for and often agree with says, those fans will be there to pick up the pieces and hardcore will get back to how it was.
it will always go round like that. i don't care who comes in along the way because at the end of the day hardcore will always be there. the onyl day i will be upset will be the day that the true dj's to the scene decide to jus forget about the fans and hardcore just decides to move all its efforts mainstream and the entirety of the underground scene dies.
then it won;t be what i (nor many) haven't loved.
Hardcore will exist as long as the real fans do. I'll always be one.
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Posted - 2005/07/03 : 23:50:22
Amen.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2005/07/04 : 00:28:40
Nicely put mate.
Luna C - i do agree with your points partly, but there's also more to the other side of the argument.
I can't see KFA releases turning into an uber cheesefest anytime soon and i'm sure there are plenty of other producers/label owners who wouldn't compromise their values for anything - even if it means they suffer.
People want releases - and the casual listener doesn't care where they come from. Despite what i've said before, i do care - just not to the extent that i'd rather see nothing released at all if it means 'keeping it real'.
Time will tell. As i've said before - the music is the key area here and not who releases it. Maybe people will give in to the commercial appeal but i know plenty that won't.
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Posted - 2005/07/04 : 01:34:59
where it is half midnight, i will read this again tommorow to see if it makes absolutely any sense at all or if i'm chatting from the reverse end of one's anatomy.
i believe that it could potentially break into about 3 groups.
1) those producers that are SOLELY aiming to make money.
2) " " " will alter what they make to keep some custom and be able to push on til people tire of the "fad" of hardcore.
3) those that will remain the same and just wait and produce some tunes are just release it all after Hardcore returns to its roots.
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Posted - 2005/07/04 : 09:58:10
If someone loves hardcore so much not to venture to other genres, whats the problem with that?
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hbf
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Posted - 2005/07/04 : 17:54:49
I dont think record label would invest in an artist or genre of music for pure profit but at the end of the day the people have gota get paid and will always want to achieve the best possible salary. End of the day the artists get paid its an investment to them.
More money and exposure for the artists and promoters means higher quality music and better equiped venues, these artists and labels have a unique opertunity to help hardcore grow, im sure you could have a great time ravin in a shitty rottin shed of a venue with a shit sound system and a 30 quid lazer listenin to music someone made with a kids drumkit but i had a sweet night on sat at colossus in a quality venue with quality music.
Do people think all this is for free??
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 01:14:36
hbf wrote:-
More money and exposure for the artists and promoters means higher quality music and better equiped venues
Sorry, I dont agree at all - by that statment, the best music out there right now is Crazy Frog. And the money you are talking about goes into the hands of people who wont invest in the scene, they will bleed it dry then leave.
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"these artists and labels have a unique opertunity to help hardcore grow"
They do have this opportunity, but its an opportunity they wont take. Growth is caused by change, stagnation by lack of change. Have a listen to the tunes - there isn't an original idea in the batch....change is risky, so no risks will be taken. The formula will be stuck too. When you get bored in a few years ans say "it all sounds the same" then you will know why.
"im sure you could have a great time ravin in a shitty rottin shed of a venue with a shit sound system and a 30 quid lazer listenin to music someone made with a kids drumkit"
You mean that the entire period from 89-96 was rubbish, and the music has only got better since then? Because the raves back in the day were often poor quality and small. But the music was new and exciting and unpredictable. Basically brilliant.
I dont want you to think I am having a pop at you personally hbf - a lot of people think like you do, and its cool you had a good night partying at Collossus. But I feel your post is wrong because you are uninformed of the business side of things (again like most people) and haven't seen the long term effects of these things.
Before you know it, there will be no choice in hardcore, and the innovative producers will either compromise or leave the scene, and all that willl be left is the commercial stuff. It happens to many musics. Ask yourself why hard house Dj's are making hardcore. it used to be the other way around...but hard house is dead now. Why is that? Could it be that lots of people who didn't really care about hard house made the music, and formularised it, and sold it out? And now that scene is overflowing with imposters and people in it just for money, so everything sounds the same, and people have left and there's no more money.
The saddest thing about it is it doesn't matter what I say. the ignorant majority who dont go online and only go to parties will support this stuff until they are bored, and then the crash will come. And there's no way of fighting it unless the hardcore producers and dj's retain their integrity. And so very few are doing that....
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 02:40:21
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 09:42:05
I cant quite understand how more people, people like recon or nucleus records will hinder the selection of records there are to buy or stop the music being varied, the big dj's Breeze n Styles, Sy n Unknown, hixxy, scott brown etc. already work in standard formulas and patterns, every now and again somebody manages to break away from that pattern like CLSM but to be honest the big DJ's are always gona have there way of doin things.
On the back of some of the raverbaby vinyls it sez we will not comprimise quality for popularity amongst the minority, i think its referin to threds like this, no wonder our music struggles to grow, every time something happens for the good of the music it gets slated by narrow minded people FACT.
Boycott the sale of vinyl, i can see how thats gona help! if i spent hours of my life producing somethin puttin my heart into it only to find some tit tryin to get people to stop buyin it id be well riled as would you.
End of the day these dj's have familys to provid for and lives outside and after hardcore to lead, if your job was a pro dj, with no other source of income your gona realise that income is gona dry up, how many 50y/o dj's do you know?? Anybody know what pension plan a dj gets??
These dj's are the best in hardcore, have been around for a long time and know more about hardcore than most, i tend to trust there decisions more than i would the ideals of others.
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2005/07/05 : 10:39:00
I am not saying boycott the dj's or anything - thats a decision to be made by the individual. But its not hard to see who is genuine and who isnt. Scott Brown might have a formula, but he's 100% hardcore and dedicated to the scene. Nucleuz though? Not the same thing at all.
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