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Vitalism
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 Posted - 2006/04/15 : 05:47:33
while they COULD be making money from digital downloads, they for some reason decided to not go that route...
and because of that, i somewhere stumbled upon every raver baby release available for download. someone ripped every one, and i can kind of understand why too. they arent releasing anything digital so... they are kind of screwing themselves over.
anyway, thought i'd share that with... whoever cares.
the arent getting ahead by NOT going digital.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 08:03:32
You dont really understand the RaverBaby way of making money do you.
They're aim isnt to selling millions of records, but to make money from the bookings they get.
They get paid hundreds every weekend to play the stuff that *isn't* released.
Also with their vinyl releases they go all out, awesome colour sleeve (not standard black) they project an image of professionalism that doesnt come across over digital.
Mind you, you can still by the records and put them on CD. You dont, because you don't want to spend the time doing so. Which in effect is a big spit in the face imo. To download an mp3 because you can't be bothered ripping it from vinyl is a very very poor reason.
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Chwhynny
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 08:33:43
^^ What ryg0r said.
Every label have their own strategy. Choices are being made for a reason. What they do / write / mix is theirs and what will happen to that material or performance is their decision. They cannot possibly please everyone. No-one can. Instead of digital downloads they deliver beautiful vinyl covers, lots of mixes (that do include unreleased work), and much more.
Screwing themselves over? I'm sure they have made a well thought-through decision on their strategy, and it seems to work well, because they're the most successful UK hardcore label.
You're saying that the fact that they do not release their tunes as .mp3 results in them being ripped by morons. Maybe. But that's not their fault is it. Is the fact that you lock your doors at night an invitation for burglars? I don't think so.
Also, to be fair, a lot of tracks that ARE being put up for .mp3 download by labels are also being ripped and put up for free download on P2P networks. So I doubt that a label not releasing tracks as .mp3 is the cause of tracks being ripped.
Raverbaby are doing very well, and I'm convinced that's due to the mass appeal of their tunes and artists, as well as their marketing strategy.
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DJ Mole
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 08:37:53
RaverBaby mp3 store on the way dude.
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mr_dom_uk
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 08:38:12
thought i just point out raverbaby r going 2 do mp3 downloads. Hixxy said on HTID forum a few months ago that sometime in may mp3 downloads will be avaliable on there website. They will be putting vinyl releases, some unreleased tunez & remix eg. Darren Styles - Cutting Deep [VIP Mix]
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Chwhynny
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 08:40:47
Oh yeah, forgot about that! Looking forward to it.
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2006/04/15 : 09:40:03
They make money by relesing stuff into the charts. It's been like that for a few years and has very little for Hardcore execpt bring thugs into the raves to see Styles and Breeze ply some speed up pop music. Hixxy's new stuff is nothing compared to my favorates which date back to the mid 1990s.
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Samination
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 09:57:38
consider that you only need to make on file per format, and a cheap webhost+shop application, you can use the money you made from selling digital files to keep making the colorful slaves?
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 11:23:25
quote:
Originally posted by DjSamination:
consider that you only need to make on file per format, and a cheap webhost+shop application, you can use the money you made from selling digital files to keep making the colorful slaves?
Of course I have, I've been looking to make a digital label/distribution centre like CLSM have for a while now, programmed entirely from scratch in php.
However, right now, its not their method of approach. Gigs first, vinyl second.
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Roberticus
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 11:42:10
quote:
Originally posted by Smoogie:
They make money by relesing stuff into the charts. It's been like that for a few years...
Why do those tracks go to the charts?
=people like them. The tracks wouldn't be on the charts if noone liked them... 
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jenks
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 15:43:35
To be honest I've never seen a Raverbaby tune in the charts, I've seen Raverbaby artists release tunes with different labels into the charts (AATW).
Raverbaby's success has a knock on effect to the rest of the scene (as Baldo has said before I believe) and because of people liking their hardcore, it has exposed new people to other styles of hardcore, sure there are ****s that get attracted, but they will get weeded out once the commercialism dies down...
Bottom-line, raverbaby has done alot for hardcore as a whole, unfortunatly the 'leets' don't want to realise that...
I think if Raverbaby do create an mp3 store they shouldn't neccissarily make all of their tunes available on it, maybe the remixes and tunes that don't merit a vinyl release, because we all know their tunes will get ripped 2 funk on p2p...
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 16:04:51
quote:
Originally posted by jenks:
Raverbaby's success has a knock on effect to the rest of the scene (as Baldo has said before I believe) and because of people liking their hardcore, it has exposed new people to other styles of hardcore
is defo true cos i've seen it with my own eyes.
loads lasses that come raving with us love the raverbaby style, infact going to raves and look at the dancefloor you'll see how many different people like it. Place goes off
After a year or two of them raving they hear and like loadsa other styles. Some people will never like speedcore cos its just not there thing, but people i no who only liked the cheesy trance stuff at first will now get a good stomp to tommyknocker or whatever and listen to bouncy techno  .
peoples taste in music changes when they hear new things, i used to think cheesy old makina was the best music in the world 
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katrinar50
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 19:57:32
quote:
Originally posted by jenks:
To be honest I've never seen a Raverbaby tune in the charts, I've seen Raverbaby artists release tunes with different labels into the charts (AATW).
Raverbaby's success has a knock on effect to the rest of the scene (as Baldo has said before I believe) and because of people liking their hardcore, it has exposed new people to other styles of hardcore, sure there are ****s that get attracted, but they will get weeded out once the commercialism dies down...
Bottom-line, raverbaby has done alot for hardcore as a whole, unfortunatly the 'leets' don't want to realise that...
I think if Raverbaby do create an mp3 store they shouldn't neccissarily make all of their tunes available on it, maybe the remixes and tunes that don't merit a vinyl release, because we all know their tunes will get ripped 2 funk on p2p...
Here here!! You tell him Jenks - that's just what I would have said!! Smoogie get your facts right before talking bollocks!!
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2006/04/15 : 20:34:10
I think Ryg0r has part of the idea when he says
"Of course I have, I've been looking to make a digital label/distribution centre like CLSM have for a while now, programmed entirely from scratch in php.
However, right now, its not their method of approach. Gigs first, vinyl second."
Here's what I believe the REAL reason is:
Do you think selling hardcore vinyl makes alot of money...? no.
So as Ryg0r said gigs are one of the main sources of income.
But there's more: royalties for having tracks on compilations.
Have you noticed how pretty EVERY damn compilation has Raver Baby tunes (and often the same ones): Raver Baby purposely doesn't release vinyl/mp3s so that their tracks get signed to more compilations...
Having a track (or in RB's case MANY, MANY tracks) on Bonkers/Clubland/Hardcore Heaven/etc. makes alot more money than selling vinyl.
I think that's the main reason.
On top of that we all know only the really big names get promos so nothing is leaked, guaranteeing that the RB artists get booked.
it's a bit of an evil way to function but it works
that's my 0,02 but I might be wrong
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eLASTIC
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Posted - 2006/04/16 : 01:51:19
I always thought their focus was on selling cd/mixes.
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FriedRice
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Posted - 2006/04/16 : 02:14:26
*sigh*
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they project an image of professionalism
And now they are bringin a mp3 store out huh?Rygor you made raver baby sound so.......fan focused and not solely a money making machine but thats all gone now lol but i spose it will be good for getting rare tracks....still prefer the idealic light that rygor projected them in...
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