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latininxtc
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 Posted - 2007/11/26 : 16:11:51
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
Thing is, you're going on the assumption that it was B17 that sent the resist bust. Resist/React did a whole lot more than just hardcore. And being in the compilation CD business I highly doubt that they limit themselves. Infact just looking at their discogs, they did house, trance and drum and bass, hardly limiting themselves to the underground.
Problem is that there isn't much/any distribution for electronic music in the US. I went to a huge music store in LA and the electronic music section was about the size of a school desk. Everything else was indy, emo, metal, general guitar "I'm going to whine and pretend I'm a rockstar" nonense.
I went to a record store in chicago, and they had plenty of house, nice selection of trance and breaks, but no hardcore.
Fact is, there is no company to distribute hardcore in the states, cds or vinyl.
Yea it really sux that there isn't any easier access to hardcore than big distribution sites here in the US. I was a big supporter of the Happy2BHardcore series because it was one the compilations easily accessed here in the states. Then Moonshine, which is the label it belonged to, went bust. We can't blame it on the hardcore albums because I believe that was the only hardcore series they had and to my knowledge it was one of their more successful albums. The rest of their genre was progressive house/trance, D&B, etc.
I do agree with you that the choice of electronic is pathetic in the US. I grew tired of this "trance" they have out that seems to go slower and slower and that is why I have gone to Hardcore. Been a fan since 2000. And it is so difficult to be a big fan when you have to rely on buying compilations that come out every 2 to 3 months apart and sometimes they may not be good.
To the member named BOBBYRITALIN: It's great that you support the producers in hardcore directly, but for those of us who are big fans of the genre but are not trying to be DJs themselves it is extremely hard. There is no good website that provides downloadable mp3s of hardcore that is catered to all the labels. And I don't mean to be cheap about it, but I find it rather expensive to pay 2.50 US dollars (converted from pounds) when you can get songs from iTunes for $1 or less. That is the reason why an iPod is useless to me because I ONLY listen to hardcore.
And bonkers will live on. Someone who's given a big damn to the scene will not let it go away and I know whoever it is that will pick it up will take it into a new direction. I think of this incident as a renaissance and there will be a new enlightenment to the scene and I hope it is for the better. Sorry for the longwinded post but I've been wanting to get alot off my chest on these topics and this is a good one.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/11/26 : 16:13:00
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
I got into hardcore throu happy2bhardcore, so I wouldnt bother if bonkers went down ;P...
generally, it was only Sharkey who played music from lesser known artists
h2bh was complete trash
Haha, i was thinking the same thing, i just wasn't going to say it :P
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/11/26 : 18:03:28
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
I got into hardcore throu happy2bhardcore, so I wouldnt bother if bonkers went down ;P...
generally, it was only Sharkey who played music from lesser known artists
h2bh was complete trash
Haha, i was thinking the same thing, i just wasn't going to say it :P
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whispering
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Posted - 2007/11/26 : 20:58:50
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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But the tune selection was very good, which is the most important part of compilations.
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DJ Fracus
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Posted - 2007/11/26 : 21:10:02
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Originally posted by Jimmygoat:
Some of you are complete twats when it comes to using your brains (actually its probably a lack of understanding, but thats the outcome... i am only addressing the retard who's name i cant be bothered to agknowledge- it would be wrong!)- I think one of the hardest hit has been next generation in the last week or so. Thye pressed their own records and released 2 a month without fail where quite a few other labels either didnt have so much caught in the pipeline OR were pressed by amato and therefore didnt lose their money (just wont get the profits).
Resist going bust hurts the smaller artists who were relying on those payouts.
This has hit most hardcore producers hard... what needs to be done now is some serious thinking about the value of our tunes and why sales dropped off- where is the income for producers...
Its not in vinyl.
Its no longer in compilations (not much left for MOST people as tracklists are heavily owned by the djs mixing)- surely cd packs have to stop now as producers cant afford to give their music away??
Also, its worth pointing out clearly, that its not due to overwhelming high sales that these things are happening despite the popularity or hardcore. Sadly, i think it wont filter through to all the people buying cd packs and downloading music/ sharing that these are knock on consequences.. Rarrr..
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DJHaze
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 Posted - 2007/11/26 : 23:16:49
None of this surprises me at all. Couldn't have come at a worse time.
I understand that mismanagement and the other views was the reason given regarding Amato ETC.
But bit off topic I strongly believe it is just going to get worse. Small labels just don't stand a chance. How long did ppl expect us to keep releasing units just to break even or more so? The websites for illegal downloads is out of control. The 2 that come to mind I wont mention just for the pure chance ppl on here don't know them but I will say every single one of my Executive releases and Digital downloads are on there a day after they are released and I look at the thread views and cringe at the fact 100s of people have downloaded these tunes for free. I see every major artists tune on there including most of the raverbaby tunes and I see members on this forum and USH posting on there and downloading the tracks for free.
Point is. I have no doubt that hardcore will survive this. New distribution will come up and big labels will be able to get through this.
Small Labels will be hit hard and possibly be gone all together.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to continue especially in this day in age.
It is just not worth it... 
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/11/26 : 23:28:27
you cant think of all those 100's of people who are downloading your tunes to be possible customers, ill bet at least 80% are in the midset that if its free they will download it if not they will do without
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Audio X
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Posted - 2007/11/26 : 23:33:25
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Originally posted by DJHaze:The websites for illegal downloads is out of control. The 2 that come to mind I wont mention just for the pure chance ppl on here don't know them but I will say every single one of my Executive releases and Digital downloads are on there a day after they are released and I look at the thread views and cringe at the fact 100s of people have downloaded these tunes for free. I see every major artists tune on there including most of the raverbaby tunes and I see members on this forum and USH posting on there and downloading the tracks for free.
This is actually easier to remedy than you'd think. Join the site, send a PM to the admin stating that you don't want them putting your stuff up, and they will blacklist your tracks and tracks from your label from the site. Simple. It may not stop the massive p2p sharing, but it stops the goings-on from these sites by some margin. Most filesharing sites are very accomodating when it comes to this (I know personally, as I belong to one a couple for another type of...er, "hardcore" [that's PORN, for you people who have apparently misunderstood me] and it's the same way lol).
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DJHaze
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Posted - 2007/11/26 : 23:41:52
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Originally posted by Jax:
you cant think of all those 100's of people who are downloading your tunes to be possible customers, ill bet at least 80% are in the midset that if its free they will download it if not they will do without
So that makes it ok?
That just shows me the appreciation has gone.
If people wouldn't buy it or download it but they do anyways because they can? How is that right?
Give me the days where people use to spend time searching for a vinyl release and appreciate its value.
Not download it just because they can but they wouldn’t if they had to pay for it.
Unbelievable.
What message is that sending to the producers?
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DJHaze
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Posted - 2007/11/26 : 23:47:12
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by DJHaze:The websites for illegal downloads is out of control. The 2 that come to mind I wont mention just for the pure chance ppl on here don't know them but I will say every single one of my Executive releases and Digital downloads are on there a day after they are released and I look at the thread views and cringe at the fact 100s of people have downloaded these tunes for free. I see every major artists tune on there including most of the raverbaby tunes and I see members on this forum and USH posting on there and downloading the tracks for free.
This is actually easier to remedy than you'd think. Join the site, send a PM to the admin stating that you don't want them putting your stuff up, and they will blacklist your tracks and tracks from your label from the site. Simple. It may not stop the massive p2p sharing, but it stops the goings-on from these sites by some margin. Most filesharing sites are very accomodating when it comes to this (I know personally, as I belong to one a couple for another type of...er, "hardcore" and it's the same way lol).
Myself and multiple producers have tried to do that for the past 2 years on this one particular site. I joined a year ago to try and stop that. It did not work. I have done what you said on about 4 other websites and they have obliged. A new one always pops up. I understand what you are saying but it is never that easy to stop it. Its always going to be a battle.
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Audio X
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Posted - 2007/11/26 : 23:57:29
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Originally posted by DJHaze:
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by DJHaze:The websites for illegal downloads is out of control. The 2 that come to mind I wont mention just for the pure chance ppl on here don't know them but I will say every single one of my Executive releases and Digital downloads are on there a day after they are released and I look at the thread views and cringe at the fact 100s of people have downloaded these tunes for free. I see every major artists tune on there including most of the raverbaby tunes and I see members on this forum and USH posting on there and downloading the tracks for free.
This is actually easier to remedy than you'd think. Join the site, send a PM to the admin stating that you don't want them putting your stuff up, and they will blacklist your tracks and tracks from your label from the site. Simple. It may not stop the massive p2p sharing, but it stops the goings-on from these sites by some margin. Most filesharing sites are very accomodating when it comes to this (I know personally, as I belong to one a couple for another type of...er, "hardcore" and it's the same way lol).
Myself and multiple producers have tried to do that for the past 2 years on this one particular site. I joined a year ago to try and stop that. It did not work. I have done what you said on about 4 other websites and they have obliged. A new one always pops up. I understand what you are saying but it is never that easy to stop it. Its always going to be a battle.
Note that I said "by some margin". It's true that a new one pops up for each one that goes down, but at the same time it drives them further underground to the point where the people using the sites won't be the type to buy anything in the first place. At the very least it's damage control.
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DJHaze
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Posted - 2007/11/26 : 23:59:38
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by DJHaze:
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by DJHaze:The websites for illegal downloads is out of control. The 2 that come to mind I wont mention just for the pure chance ppl on here don't know them but I will say every single one of my Executive releases and Digital downloads are on there a day after they are released and I look at the thread views and cringe at the fact 100s of people have downloaded these tunes for free. I see every major artists tune on there including most of the raverbaby tunes and I see members on this forum and USH posting on there and downloading the tracks for free.
This is actually easier to remedy than you'd think. Join the site, send a PM to the admin stating that you don't want them putting your stuff up, and they will blacklist your tracks and tracks from your label from the site. Simple. It may not stop the massive p2p sharing, but it stops the goings-on from these sites by some margin. Most filesharing sites are very accomodating when it comes to this (I know personally, as I belong to one a couple for another type of...er, "hardcore" and it's the same way lol).
Myself and multiple producers have tried to do that for the past 2 years on this one particular site. I joined a year ago to try and stop that. It did not work. I have done what you said on about 4 other websites and they have obliged. A new one always pops up. I understand what you are saying but it is never that easy to stop it. Its always going to be a battle.
Note that I said "by some margin". It's true that a new one pops up for each one that goes down, but at the same time it drives them further underground to the point where the people using the sites won't be the type to buy anything in the first place. At the very least it's damage control.
I disagree. But we all have our opinions. It shouldn't be anyone’s right. Underground or not to freely distribute a track without the permission of the label owner or the artist. I know you aint implying that either. I just don't believe in damage control on distribution of tracks. The sites should not be up all together.
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Edited by - DJHaze on 2007/11/27 00:05:22 |
The Doc
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 00:20:56
anyway back to the thread topic please! I think Resist tried to much to soon this year! (or could it of been desperation) They did loads of the budget CD's! (copying the decadance route) and also trying new formats like HF&F to sell CD's! and then their final release B17 which didn't sell well (we all know why) has finished them!
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Meph751
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 00:58:05
bonkers 17 didn't sell well? where'd you get that info just out of curiosity? i thought it was a pretty good compilation.
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 01:56:47
So I as a consumer has two options, and I'll use this for example only:
I have a whiz bang camera phone. I like art. I take a picture of art. I blow up picture on my wall because it looks real. Now I have art on my wall. I didn't buy it but I like it.
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I have money. I like art. I wish to buy a painting of art. I purchase the art for my wall because it looks good and feels good to own an original work. Now I have art on my wall. I paid a fortune for it.
So, read both of those examples. One example will cause artists to have to find jobs for the first time since they were kids because they are no longer selling art. Selling art is their job. It may not affect them right away, however once they decide to go buy new paint, they find to their dismay that they cannot afford it anymore.
So they have to quit being artists
Don't steal art.
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