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Vitalism
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 Posted - 2007/12/14 : 16:17:55
can someone explain this to me.
some records can be "filled up" (really close to the center of the viny) if they were pressed on 33 or 45. they both sound the same, but with the one method, you can put more music on the vinyl. some older ones i have are 33 and go all the way to the center too? so what's the need for 45 then
also, i've listened to my parents records before and there are like 7+ tracks per side. with no noticeable dip in sound quality (for being as old as they were)
all im interested in is the difference really and why more are not pressed as 33 and i get a few more tracks for my hard earned dollars. or why some records have NOTHING on the flip side. isn't that expensive to release a ONE-sided track? the vinyl i have, the track just flat out sucks, so it seems like a big waste.
from a label's point of view, i would've seen that as a stupid move. blank space on vinyl? stupid. put a joke kinda song at the end for me, weird noises... SOMETHING.
does it just come down to how many (or few) tracks a label wants to put on a record, in which case that's almost always 1 per side. and still even in that case, why not still choose 33.
why is 45 around!!!
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 16:19:34
33s ARE lower quality
there's less room between the grooves so you can't press them as "loud" as well
but there's definitely lower sound quality on 33s
you're wrong, get some studio monitors ;)
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JAKAZiD
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 16:38:08
Even towards the end of a single-track side of a 45 you will notice the quality isn't quite as good as the beginning.
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 17:03:27
that might explain it. i use shit speakers.
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 17:53:13
It don't make any difference for me, i can click on 33 or 45 and any track will play at the right speed! With no differnece in the sound, the joys of DVS:)
I am curious tho...................
Since i have been learning to juggle i find it so much easier on 33 than 45 (only tried 45 for a min), i have also noticed all the hiphop vinyl i own are 33
So going by what has been posted labels like aftermath, def jam, etc. all release tracks in a lower quality just to keep the minority that will be buying them for djing happy? Or would there be another reason?
I started to think perhaps it was due to them having 4 tracks normally on the vinly (clean, dirty, accapella, instrumental) but as most tracks are 3-4 min your only talking 6-8 min per side that would bring the total length per side on a par with most EDM tunes.
So is there another reason that they would press them at 33?
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Meph751
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 18:42:22
god i hate 33's with a passion
seriously so many of my records are 45's every time i mix a 33 i **** up... touch the platter and it goes to shit
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 18:54:33
im sure ive heard somewhere that anymore than about 7 minutes and you start to loose sound quality, not sure how accurate this is though.
the old album style vinyls where there are 5+ songs per side are really bad quality (the ones ive heard anyway)
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clarke101
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 19:00:41
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Originally posted by Jax:
im sure ive heard somewhere that anymore than about 7 minutes and you start to loose sound quality, not sure how accurate this is though.
the old album style vinyls where there are 5+ songs per side are really bad quality (the ones ive heard anyway)
There is a time/quality thing. It's different for 45 & 33. I cant seem to find it atm, but Adam L posted it on KF site ages ago in a discussion about why different speeds are used.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 21:29:56
quote:
Originally posted by Meph751:
god i hate 33's with a passion
seriously so many of my records are 45's every time i mix a 33 i **** up... touch the platter and it goes to shit
I dunno, it feels the same for me. I guess you just get used to it. Tony Benino used to always complain about having to mix 33s to me and I never got it.
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 21:50:20
as far as mixing goes, i have no problem with either speed.
it would be interesting to read that thing from the KF board or wherever you said you read it...
see if you can find it, shed some light on the issue.
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Meph751
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 22:02:47
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Meph751:
god i hate 33's with a passion
seriously so many of my records are 45's every time i mix a 33 i **** up... touch the platter and it goes to shit
I dunno, it feels the same for me. I guess you just get used to it. Tony Benino used to always complain about having to mix 33s to me and I never got it.
meh
yea its just such a different feel for me, and i have so few 33's that every time i try to mix one its like running into a brick wall. i'm sure it's pretty easily overcome with practice 
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clarke101
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 22:36:58
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Originally posted by alex_e:
as far as mixing goes, i have no problem with either speed.
it would be interesting to read that thing from the KF board or wherever you said you read it...
see if you can find it, shed some light on the issue.
I've had a look and can't find it at all.
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 23:06:32
Wow, DJ-ing is a serious business!
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 23:13:19
33's spin slower than 45's so in theory to play at the same bpm as a 45 record, everything pressed onto the record must be closer together, which could also be the reason why there is a loss in quality
that would also mean that if you touch the platter on a 33rpm tune it will be affected more than a 45..
if you use the same theory as above then you should be able to get more music onto a 33rpm record because you get more music into a smaller space
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2007/12/15 : 01:12:01
maybe 33's are lesser quality, but i honestly prefer the sound that older vinyl has to offer.
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raindance-rob
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Posted - 2007/12/15 : 01:22:53
you find it harder to mix with 33's then 45's wtf its the bpm not the speed of the rpm, learn to mix.
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