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Rayovac
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 Posted - 2008/06/03 : 03:23:31
Why the hell is the core pirated so much? I mean, it seems like if I just google a song, it's guaranteed a lot of the results are going to be links to *******s.
On youtube, it's like, half of the music section is happy hardcore stuff... not music videos either, just some image of a record and the song. Oh yeah, people in the comments section constantly discuss limewire, *******s, etc. ("dis song is rad. ******* pls thx!").
And this is disturbing. Going as far as to ******* the damn radio? (just search happyhardcore.com radio and go to the second page).
It pisses me off. If it's because people think hardcore is easy to make, it's not. Wtf!!
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 03:34:06
I think its because hardcore's had such a major revival alot of fans from back in the day have come out of the woodwork again and since its pretty much all commercial now piracy is bound to happen just like with anything thats popular.
Btw might want to edit your post because most of its been ****** out lol
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 04:16:33
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Originally posted by FingazMc:
I think its because hardcore's had such a major revival alot of fans from back in the day have come out of the woodwork again and since its pretty much all commercial now piracy is bound to happen just like with anything thats popular.
Btw might want to edit your post because most of its been ****** out lol
But is it so wrong to pay the artists? Producing is anything but cheap.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 04:55:51
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Originally posted by Rayovac:
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Originally posted by FingazMc:
I think its because hardcore's had such a major revival alot of fans from back in the day have come out of the woodwork again and since its pretty much all commercial now piracy is bound to happen just like with anything thats popular.
Btw might want to edit your post because most of its been ****** out lol
But is it so wrong to pay the artists? Producing is anything but cheap.
Im not in anyway saying piracy is ok...Because its not people spend time and money making tunes and then they dont get anywhere near the rewards that their entiteld to..All im saying is its to be expected...
Whatever the "hottest" thing is, there will always be a way to get it for free. I mean even before the internet pretty much everyone copyed tapes from each other i know i did (a 10 year old child cant afford tapepacks lol!)...It will always be there and as long as Hardcore stays this commercial and is still "cool" the Internet generation of ravers will keep pirating it....
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 04:59:06
edit: i dunno, everything is debateable
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 05:39:34
it seems pretty much inevitable, but for every down side to the internet and piracy, there is an upside... which includes: free advertisement
and if the productions are good enough should lead to records being sold, and im sure for every 10 people that download a track, 1 person will buy it. IMO i would be happy with that!
and as for the free advertisement this can lead to booking at events, signings to record labels ect ect...
Basically my point is piracy is an aspect of life, not just music, but there will always be people decent enough to reward those who deserve it...
one day hopefully I will! lol
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Wilky
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 08:13:39
The way i see it is, if you download anything (music, games, movies or software) illegally then you dont get a right to complain about hardcore being pirated.
how many producers have illegally downloaded movies, games or software? then they moan when people do the same to them, talk about crying wolf!
in a way, if hardcore was more vinyl orientated than mp3 then this problem wouldnt be as bad!
what i also dont get is, its illegal to illegally download so why do we have computers that let us do it? if the government was so serious about it then they have the power to stop it. its like drugs are illegal but drug parafinalia (cant spell it lol) isnt
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 09:31:38
^^^ weak, basically anyone not paying for something doesn't want to give that up, so will make any excuse to justify themself.
Dance music across the board vinyl sales are shit, download sales are shit only a handful of producer in hardcore actually make money / a living from hardcore. The rest get released on illegal CD packs while the promotors clean up.
If you like hardcore support the artists... buy hardcore... Support what you love...
Music in general has crapped itself, you be be number 1 in the UK on 30,000 units sold. If every member of happyhardcore.com bought the same CD it would be number 1 in the UK.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 10:08:33
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Originally posted by silver:
^^^ weak, basically anyone not paying for something doesn't want to give that up, so will make any excuse to justify themself.
Dance music across the board vinyl sales are shit, download sales are shit only a handful of producer in hardcore actually make money / a living from hardcore. The rest get released on illegal CD packs while the promotors clean up.
If you like hardcore support the artists... buy hardcore... Support what you love...
Music in general has crapped itself, you be be number 1 in the UK on 30,000 units sold. If every member of happyhardcore.com bought the same CD it would be number 1 in the UK.
i totally agree with u.. i do buy my hardcore.. i do on the other hand admit to illegally downloading hardcore in the past, however, i dont anymore.
so silver, wheres your stance on illegally downloading im not talking hardcore here.
have u ever downloaded anything non hardcore?
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 11:08:42
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Originally posted by uncle Google:
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Originally posted by silver:
^^^ weak, basically anyone not paying for something doesn''t want to give that up, so will make any excuse to justify themself.
Dance music across the board vinyl sales are shit, download sales are shit only a handful of producer in hardcore actually make money / a living from hardcore. The rest get released on illegal CD packs while the promotors clean up.
If you like hardcore support the artists... buy hardcore... Support what you love...
Music in general has crapped itself, you be be number 1 in the UK on 30,000 units sold. If every member of happyhardcore.com bought the same CD it would be number 1 in the UK.
i totally agree with u.. i do buy my hardcore.. i do on the other hand admit to illegally downloading hardcore in the past, however, i dont anymore.
so silver, wheres your stance on illegally downloading im not talking hardcore here.
have u ever downloaded anything non hardcore?
Downloading is gonna happen, nothing I or anyone else can do will stop people, best is to educate people... but if you actually do care about the music you're into, like you have a passion for it then you should support it... unforcantly in dance music going to events doesn't support the artists... it really only supports the promotors and the DJ's (obviously some DJ's play all their own material - but that has other obvious problems)
Other music... I can't tell you how bad sales are, I just don't know, some genres are worse than others I'm sure. I don't really travel, I'm in front of a PC all day so If I want to listen to something else I tune into a different station on DI.fm no need to download anything to be honest. My ipod is full of stuff I have the CD for or my own mixes... helps if you're a DJ and you buy vinyl and get promo :)
10 years ago you got CD's as presents, they were valueable and a trip down to your local vinyl store was an adventure into new and interesting sounds you've never heard before... shit changes... music has little or no value to teenagers these days, they grew up on mobile phones, ipods and free music, to them you're a sucker to buy music. Just ask any teenager, they can't understand why you would pay, in fact they think it's their right to pirate... it's all a big joke and the "labels" are evil... most hardcore "labels" are the artists and don't make alot of money from sales.
long rant there... long and the short of it basically heh.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 13:38:25
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10 years ago you got CD's as presents, they were valueable and a trip down to your local vinyl store was an adventure into new and interesting sounds you've never heard before... shit changes... music has little or no value to teenagers these days, they grew up on mobile phones, ipods and free music, to them you're a sucker to buy music. Just ask any teenager, they can't understand why you would pay, in fact they think it's their right to pirate...
100% agree with this statement - we live in a disposable society these days. This is something I am guilty of myself, and intend to sort out on a personal level. Its not just related to piracy though, its just culture in general now, but perhaps has arisen out of the ease of piracy
I used to buy a CD and I'd listen to it over and over again until I got bored (same CD for 3 weeks!!!). Now, I'll buy a CD and listen to it in the car for perhaps a couple of days commuting and then listen to something else. I have an ipod stuffed with tunes which I may have listened to some of the tunes on it perhaps twice - availability = disposability.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 15:41:15
great topic lads. there's some great posts here. I suppose it's easy to see why Hardcore has went so commercial these day's. The producers are finally trying to get some rewards from the time they've spent in the scene & fair play to them. A lot of these guy's have stuck with hardcore from the start & these LEGENDS deserve everything they get!
Hardcore is a really hard type of music to keep fresh & new because theres so much involved in making a hardcore track. House will never die. It's the foundations of Dance music & the tempo of it really helps to keep it appealling but Hardcore has so many styles all in the one track which means it's harder to keep coming up with new sounds. Mabey we should create some progressive Hardcore & gain some new techniques from that.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 16:05:37
i fully agree with silver and the others... i do buy my own stuff now... when u get older u realise that you wouldnt like it happening to u.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 17:59:53
Hmmm... What you guys think about bootleg tracks / records?
I mean buying bootleg is kinda piracy. Orginal producer, composer & etc. wont get any money from bootleg remix.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 19:09:24
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Originally posted by silver:
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Originally posted by uncle Google:
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Originally posted by silver:
^^^ weak, basically anyone not paying for something doesn''''t want to give that up, so will make any excuse to justify themself.
Dance music across the board vinyl sales are shit, download sales are shit only a handful of producer in hardcore actually make money / a living from hardcore. The rest get released on illegal CD packs while the promotors clean up.
If you like hardcore support the artists... buy hardcore... Support what you love...
Music in general has crapped itself, you be be number 1 in the UK on 30,000 units sold. If every member of happyhardcore.com bought the same CD it would be number 1 in the UK.
i totally agree with u.. i do buy my hardcore.. i do on the other hand admit to illegally downloading hardcore in the past, however, i dont anymore.
so silver, wheres your stance on illegally downloading im not talking hardcore here.
have u ever downloaded anything non hardcore?
Downloading is gonna happen, nothing I or anyone else can do will stop people, best is to educate people... but if you actually do care about the music you''re into, like you have a passion for it then you should support it... unforcantly in dance music going to events doesn''t support the artists... it really only supports the promotors and the DJ''s (obviously some DJ''s play all their own material - but that has other obvious problems)
Other music... I can''t tell you how bad sales are, I just don''t know, some genres are worse than others I''m sure. I don''t really travel, I''m in front of a PC all day so If I want to listen to something else I tune into a different station on DI.fm no need to download anything to be honest. My ipod is full of stuff I have the CD for or my own mixes... helps if you''re a DJ and you buy vinyl and get promo :)
10 years ago you got CD''s as presents, they were valueable and a trip down to your local vinyl store was an adventure into new and interesting sounds you''ve never heard before... shit changes... music has little or no value to teenagers these days, they grew up on mobile phones, ipods and free music, to them you''re a sucker to buy music. Just ask any teenager, they can''t understand why you would pay, in fact they think it''s their right to pirate... it''s all a big joke and the "labels" are evil... most hardcore "labels" are the artists and don''t make alot of money from sales.
long rant there... long and the short of it basically heh.
Totally agreed.
As for teenagers using the peer to peer stuff though, I think it's a mix of things, a big one being the fact that a lot of the folk don't have the money... and there are the jerks who do have the money but choose to pirate anyway because they're too nescient to realize the bigger picture.
Like underloop said, it's a disposable society.
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 02:34:21
Ionosphere/Bulby G,
Release a tune on CD, and we'll all buy it and you can be number one in the charts!
woot!
btw ake sure its cheap im skint!
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